Death Curse

[Noraa]

Ty for the birthday wishes everyone <3

[Noraa]

I think what this game is at this stage is just take a shot in {Murder, Bell, Noraa} and hope you don't miss.

[Fidget]

No we have 3 shots, I want to see fidget and Gloria go today probably. Then tomorrow we have to actually think but I agree with Bell

how'd u know there would be a tomorrow in the first place?

This kind of thing is never going to do it for me.

I would find it immensely helpful if you could show why Murdercat is scum based off his early game play, or possibly from how flipped scum interacted with him. Those are the strongest things I am using currently that make me lean on you being scum. But Murdercat is the player I haven't reviewed in the longest amount of time. I do feel like he has bled town in the end game portion of this game, albeit weaker than Bell.

[Fidget]

I think what this game is at this stage is just take a shot in {Murder, Bell, Noraa} and hope you don't miss.

That is literally the game.

Except I don't think Bell should be considered.

[Noraa]

After much thought, I still lean Bell!scum.

I won't be in this thread much today but I hope Pooky makes the right decision.

Murder, flailing is something I try hard to control. It's recently started disappearing out of my town game. Don't use that against me.

[Fidget]

f you could show why Murdercat is scum

After much thought, I still lean Bell!scum.

Okay, scratch that.

In that case, I would like you to demonstrate the lengthy thought process that led you to the conclusion of Bell!scum, if possible.

[Noraa]

I feel like I'm under a lot of pressure and what that means is that I'm gonna start flailing when I can't take it anymore. I don't want to do that because then it'll secure a pass to me and it'll be my fault for this town loss.

he pass to LLD never makes sense unless I am town.

I am town. Pooky knows it deep down in his soul and I believe he can make the correct decision.

I'm off to my other threads to destress.

[Fidget]

I have no clue what is going through Noraa's head at any given time. You're sussing both of the other players indiscriminately. You've swapped your primary suspicion around. The only time you seem concerned at all is when we're considering you.

I feel like I'm under a lot of pressure and what that means is that I'm gonna start flailing when I can't take it anymore. I don't want to do that because then it'll secure a pass to me and it'll be my fault for this town loss.

No, it'll be my fault mostly if you're town.

[MURDERCAT]

he pass to LLD never makes sense unless I am town.

I explained why that's not true though

[Fidget]

he pass to LLD never makes sense unless I am town.

I'd love to see you shot if for no other reason than it helps me want to fucking play.

But unlike you, I actually shoot in order of how I suspect people, and Hopkirk is worse than you.

I don't think LLD was ever going to shoot you because of her wantingness to seem... superior.

But it was a risk, so maybe you're right. Was there enough gain for it..? She very well could have shot you because she didn't really talk about her reads in between D1 and when she got scrolled, it was an unknown factor.

There is the issue that the other obvtown at the time would have shot shelly for sure (Murdercat, Bell and Mushy at least). Don't remember who Pooky would've shot.

Pedit: orly

[MURDERCAT]

At this point there is no fault, if we lose it's because scum played well. If Bell is scum I tip my cap. I don't want to lose to Noraa scum after everything that happened on D1 and what I feel is a decently strong read in that direction, all things considered.

[MURDERCAT]

LLD is still a very strong town player, you have to take her out eventually. At the moment she was inactive and wasn't currently pushing anyone. If scum thought she was going to come back and hard push town Noraa again, they would have left her alive. I think they were afraid she was going to come back and hard push Noraa. I think they were afraid that she would go on to find more scum.

Consider for a moment that Noraa is scum. What would you have done? When else would you have taken LLD out? Scum clearly planned to keep the dayvig til Elo numbers, shelly said as much.

[Fidget]

he pass to LLD never makes sense unless I am town.

I explained why that's not true though

Where is this pls I cannot find

At this point there is no fault, if we lose it's because scum played well. If Bell is scum I tip my cap. I don't want to lose to Noraa scum after everything that happened on D1 and what I feel is a decently strong read in that direction, all things considered.

Maybe, but most of the dead save for UNOwen had something they wanted to do and if you're scum I actively worked to change that

I am very impressed with Bell if he's scum, but I don't think it'll happen. This game feels nothing like Bell!scum. Where'd he learn to chop down his partners and look so good in the process? And he sounds good, Bell!scum just doesn't

sound

like Bell!town. This sounds so fucking dumb to try and explain, and I will accept being clowned on later if Bell is scum.

[MURDERCAT]

My gut said Bell was town too, so they can clown on me alongside you

[Fidget]

LLD is still a very strong town player, you have to take her out eventually. At the moment she was inactive and wasn't currently pushing anyone. If scum thought she was going to come back and hard push town Noraa again, they would have left her alive. I think they were afraid she was going to come back and hard push Noraa. I think they were afraid that she would go on to find more scum.

Consider for a moment that Noraa is scum. What would you have done? When else would you have taken LLD out? Scum clearly planned to keep the dayvig til Elo numbers, shelly said as much.

So in other words, the LLD pass isn't just compatible with Noraa!scum, but Noraa!scum actually

caused

the pass. They passed it to Noraa

because

they thought LLD would come back and push Noraa. An entirely different way of looking at it.

Hm. Why not just have Noraa give it to LLD down the line when LLD does get Noraa killed though, if it does happen? It's very preemptive for something that wasn't certain. Although perhaps it was a certainty in their minds.

[Fidget]

My gut said Bell was town too, so they can clown on me alongside you

Oh yeah, I guess we get to take the punishment together in that case. Makes me feel a little better.

[MURDERCAT]

My thought is, she is heavily TR'd by everyone and is still strong so she would probably eventually catch more scum. Titus in particular would probably be worried about being found out by her.

I'm not necessarily saying it is locked and this makes way more sense, but I'm saying there is a way it makes sense with Noraa scum and we should reconsider what is left of Noraa town evidence without this piece of it.

[Noraa]

it makes sense with Noraa scum

No it doesn't

[MURDERCAT]

Explain it then.

I knew you were still reading the thread

[Noraa]

I knew you were still reading the thread

wasn't. just came to check.

but no, LLD had never dropped her SR on me. Each time she came back, she called me scum. At the time I was starting to become a consensus TR I'm pretty sure. LLD pass never happens there if I'm scum because scum would do it at the risk of losing their most TRed member, noraabear.

[MURDERCAT]

Explain when you think it would happen then though

[Noraa]

I don't think scum team ever kill her with a scroll pass if not to make sure it goes T -> T

So far in the game, she's had 3 SRs. All 3 were town. Why would scum feel even slightly threatened?

[MURDERCAT]

Timer: (expired on 2020-11-20 21:36:19)

[Fidget]

My thought is, she is heavily TR'd by everyone and is still strong so she would probably eventually catch more scum. Titus in particular would probably be worried about being found out by her.

I'm not necessarily saying it is locked and this makes way more sense, but I'm saying there is a way it makes sense with Noraa scum and we should reconsider what is left of Noraa town evidence without this piece of it.

I see. I also do think that most of the other townblock members were inferior choices by virtue of them almost surely passing to shelly, so there's that.

but no, LLD had never dropped her SR on me. Each time she came back, she called me scum. At the time I was starting to become a consensus TR I'm pretty sure. LLD pass never happens there if I'm scum because scum would do it at the risk of losing their most TRed member, noraabear.

It seemed like LLD had a decent chance of shooting Noraa. It was by no means certain, and amazingly enough as LLD went down she did not even have Noraa in her top 5. But they did risk it, yes.

But if shelly was at greater risk of dying to the rest of the townbloc.. was it necessary? Or was Noraa actually more valuable than shelly at that point, so it would have made more sense to sac shelly anyway?

Will take some reviewing, I guess. I don't know what the answer is to the LLD pass.

[MURDERCAT]

I don't think scum team ever kill her with a scroll pass if not to make sure it goes T -> T

So far in the game, she's had 3 SRs. All 3 were town. Why would scum feel even slightly threatened?

I am saying, if you are scum, when else would the pass have happened?
You are agreeing with me here. Why would scum feel threatened enough to pass to her unless you are scum?