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[Menalque]

ahh fuck it, maybe we should just massclaim

S_S? thoughts?

[Infinity 324]

Who suggests the JK claim then? Lilith and dave don't seem like super strong scum players if they're scum here.

[Menalque]

Who suggests the JK claim then? Lilith and dave don't seem like super strong scum players if they're scum here.

and?

[Menalque]

as skitter said, the claim didn't actually necessarily make that much sense because of the timing regardless of her alignment

[petapan]

i thought about it and i'm with something smart that the cop should claim. not sure other roles outing beyond that is necessary. not into voting lilith without even a doc/rb claim to act as a potential alternative explanation for the lack of kill (and i'm doubtful about whether we have that one, either)

[Infinity 324]

as skitter said, the claim didn't actually necessarily make that much sense because of the timing regardless of her alignment

I think the world in which it makes the most sense is one where a strong scum player suggests it to her. The goal being to try to get a mislim, and the only downside being forced into claiming (presumably) her real role.

[Menalque]

do you TR lilith on play @peta

[petapan]

no but i don't really townread anyone

[Menalque]

god if I were scum it would have been such a good fucking play to no kill, then get lilith to claim JK and claim her shot on me while I was under pressure, trusting in me to not get executed despite that

the question is, if no doc, do scum ever no kill on N1? bc I guess it's too big brain to be reasonable for scum to no kill and to then claim a JK on me? right? to try and get me eliminated for the missing NK

[Menalque]

no but i don't really townread anyone

why don't you townread me?

[Infinity 324]

god if I were scum it would have been such a good fucking play to no kill, then get lilith to claim JK and claim her shot on me while I was under pressure, trusting in me to not get executed despite that

Don’t even say things like this

[Menalque]

god if I were scum it would have been such a good fucking play to no kill, then get lilith to claim JK and claim her shot on me while I was under pressure, trusting in me to not get executed despite that

Don’t even say things like this

:3

[Menalque]

fwiw, although self-meta obviously, I almost certainly don't push lilith here if I'm paired with her

if I bus I go for the third team member, and I probably don't bus at all given how confused the gamestate is

[davesaz]

I'd say it's no longer "early game" so I'm no longer feeling constrained from delving into pick analysis.
This is from my POV knowing I'm town.

2, 4/(5 ruled out by lilith), 9/23/1M
2, 4, 5 (ruled out by lilith)
2, 4, 4
4, 5, 9/23/1M
4, 4, 5/9/23/1M
4, 4, 4
4, any 2 of 9/23/1M
5, any 2 of 9/23/1M
9, 23, 1M

Every valid combination other than {S_S, Infinity, Petapan} requires lilith, Menalque, or a 4.
By far the largest set of combinations requires at least one scum to be a 4.

In terms of roles we may have a tragic comedy here of every single town role being useless or close to it. And I'm down to zero people I can trust in terms of TRs.

[Menalque]

And I'm down to zero people I can trust in terms of TRs.

seems to be a theme today

you had a solid TR on me yesterday/day before that, what happened to that?

[Infinity 324]

Dave what do you/have you though of my TR on you?

[Something_Smart]

fyi, "she claimed JK" is no longer a good reason, for anyone wanting that

Sure, but "she claimed JK unprompted on D2 after a no-kill in an organic way that looks like she thought she had a guilty" still is.

[petapan]

no but i don't really townread anyone

why don't you townread me?

because whil you've had moments where you've said stuff i was agreeing with (the suspicion of somethin mart coming to mind yesterday) and your interactions with skitter looked appropriately cagey, there is the vague sense of unease that youre steering everyone down the wrong path in a town with not much of a backbone, you're harping on sheeping the dead a little too much, and the way you were speaking to infinity at the start of the day felt a little artificial. but we haven't killed scum yet, i'm not really going to trust anyone.


with dave posting, i'm making the assumption that none of him/smart/infinity/me/menalque are claiming cop.

technically, i suppose, not_mafia could be cop, i had forgotten jv was above tgp in the draft order, but i find that unlikely. if he's not, then we don't need anyone else to claim because presumably someone in that group is scum who took the cop role but isn't claiming it. that's a nice little mechanical pool.

[davesaz]

And I'm down to zero people I can trust in terms of TRs.

seems to be a theme today

you had a solid TR on me yesterday/day before that, what happened to that?

I thought Dunn was hinting there was a different reason for the no-kill than you being JK'd.
Consider it a compliment that I think you're totally capable of towning it up as scum.
And I have a hard time understanding lilith's play if she's scum, without that other reason for the no-kill.

[Not_Mafia]

I am not a cop

[petapan]

the question is, does scum gamble on cop still being available at 4/5/7, risking a valuable pick on a purely preventative play when roles with more utility are available, or are they more likely to take a flyer on it low in the draft when they're unlikely to get anything useful

[petapan]

I am not a cop

thank u

[Something_Smart]

do you think any aside from the cop should claim, S_S?

This question should probably be deferred until the cop claim or lack-of-a-claim.

[Something_Smart]

which is then added wine, because would you kill her as one of the main people supporting you!town?

I don't think there's a single person in this game who wouldn't kill skitter.

[Something_Smart]

ahh fuck it, maybe we should just massclaim

S_S? thoughts?

Like I said. First massclaim cop/not cop, then we'll figure out what to do from there.

Not cop.