Death Curse

[Bell]

There's a reward waiting for me at the end that is equal to my effort here for town me regardless of who you throw the scroll at as long as I guess correctly and have the correct interpretation of events at the end.

No such reward exists for scum me.
I just don't get as excited or want to win as much as scum. I can even point to me saying this 2 or 3 times in other threads if you want.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

?

you wouldn't feel any happiness from fooling me as scum here and winning it for your team?

[Bell]

I also don't think I can feel good about myself after how I played after Titus/DGB flipped and I'm trying to salvage that.

It made sense for me to get comfortable, but it was the wrong choice ultimately. Yes I had things to do, but I take heavy responsibility for us reaching elo in the first place.

I know you can think "well the power of scum friendship should motivate you" but that doesn't get more too far and frankly, I'm not great at faking a town perspective anyway.

[Bell]

?

you wouldn't feel any happiness from fooling me as scum here and winning it for your team?

No, not really. I don't get much of a kick out of fooling others.

[Bell]

It's not why the play the game.

[Bell]

I* play the game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

not even a little bit happy!?

[Bell]

I guess out of relief, but not for fooling you specifically.
I'm one of those "i don't like making enemies" types and I think you need an enemy mindset to at least kind of enjoy it.
But maybe that's just because I'm a little vicious deep down so it feels necessary.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would you fooling me make an enemy out of me?

[Bell]

No I mean, I might feel good if I felt you were an enemy and therefore feeling good about getting one over on you.
But in general I actively avoid making enemies.

So that's more of a hypothetical.
I mean there has to be some reward to having enemies and winning against them or I don't know why anyone would bother making them.

[Fidget]

The reaction to the Fidget wagon was a huge scum tell. Based off that alone, I'm willing to lock scum Murder asap.

Christ finally.

What I would like to understand is why you had no tangible difference between your Murder and Bell reads up until now, and why you were generally fine with Bell being scrolled.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

No I mean, I might feel good if I felt you were an enemy and therefore feeling good about getting one over on you.
But in general I actively avoid making enemies.

So that's more of a hypothetical.
I mean there has to be some reward to having enemies and winning against them or I don't know why anyone would bother making them.

You wouldn't feel good about fooling a friend?

[Bell]

okay, I giggled at that.
I'm town, so this feels silly to keep digging into.

I don't think so though, I am not the type to pull pranks on people.

[Fidget]

I think Murder is trying to pull of a stubborn lylo townie look and furiously looking thru his pt for arguments shelly prolly already drafted out.

It really doesn't come off like that to me. Could you show me why it does?

If Murdercat is scum I'm sure he's working alone here.

If Murder is scum, scums distanced well from him. Barely any interaction and they planned to have Murder carry the entire team since a long time ago.

Btw I still stand by this post

What's your take on Murderkitty defending Fred?

[Bell]

I don't want to tut-tut friends either.
But perhaps that's because the people I get along with that play mafia and get fooled are not happy and seem to carry a sort of emotional scar with them it tends to make them more anxious the next time they're in a mafia game in elo too.
Probably more of a sign that they take it a little too seriously, but the brain's the brain and social interactions are pretty fascinating.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

okay, I giggled at that.
I'm town, so this feels silly to keep digging into.

I don't think so though, I am not the type to pull pranks on people.

How do you ever play scum if you are unwilling to do what is necessary to win?

[Fidget]

This was a point I brought up a while ago. It was so that she could be like "Oh oops Noraa isnt scum? Lemme just take like 3 game days to fix my reads up a bit"

Maybe, but at least would you agree shelly would be much more likely to do that in an attempt to prop herself up and set up miselims? That's pretty much what I'd expect her to do. You were dead for certain at that point, she didn't really need to help the wagon. So what's her motivation? My guess would be to set up the next elim targets.

[Bell]

I play toward my win condition. As evidenced by my advocating for night killing FF and Cabd in our game and thinking (wrongly) that it would be a mistake to shoot S_S given a lack of reads in that game.
I have my own justifications for sticking out games where I roll scum. I take it as part of the cost of being allowed to play on this website with people and rolling town most of the time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok fine we are getting nowhere here.

where do you want the scroll to land tommorrow Bell?

[Bell]

I don't think I'm going to solve this before deadline. How frustrating.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Time cannot stand still for you

[Bell]

RN I still lean Noraa.
But I'm on page 60.

And I'm obviously vacillitating.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what do you think about what Noraa said about MC's TMI slip?

[Fidget]

Noraa is not really helping to convince me that it's Murder, but it might be Murder anyway. It's also possible Noraa just .. looks terrible in Eylo, I guess. Ignoring the rest of the game, I would struck Noraa down for this performance in a heartbeat. But the rest of the game still exists.

what do you think about what Noraa said about MC's TMI slip?

The Murdercat reaction to a Fidget green flip was really bad.
"Yeah but I think we lost" might just be scum tmi that pooky is town :/

continue the reading~

I don't understand it. It's something I could see myself saying. What is TMI about saying "We actually lost"?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

It's TMI because he knows I'm town