Death Curse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

A bold claim

ok tell me why you knew "we lost" as soon as fidget got the scroll then.

[MURDERCAT]

If he felt there was a sizable chance Bell was scum at that point, then yeah, he probably did lose and knew it. Scum TMI maybe. Maybe I just don't believe in that stuff so I'm overlooking it.

Maybe it's not worth the risk shooting Noraa.

It indicated to me that it read on the game was bad. It indicated the was a deep wolf. I knew I'd be getting one of the scrolls. I also thought that the was a good chance I was wrong about Pooky and also that I wouldn't be able to help myself from scrolling him

[MURDERCAT]

It's unclear to me what you think that would be my fake reaction, as if I'm smart enough to get to the f4 as scum but not smart enough to realize the game wasn't actually over

[Bell]

VOTE: Noraa

Like I get where you and LLD and others are coming from, I just don't have that confidence in our ability to go S>T>S when we start with someone who is maybe scum

well how about we try it today and see how it works

then we can evaluate how well it worked and decide future strategy accordingly

I'm certainly not going to fight against it

Alright, I read the rules and the VCs.

My question is... why is the Noraa wagon so static without a counterwagon?

My question is... why is the Noraa wagon so static without a counterwagon?

Either it's the easiest miselm ever or scum bussed immediately because it went downhill too fast

Ok, someone explain how a scumkill be negated in this setup?

Are we presuming if we hit scum on the last round then it's negated?

Yes.

So effectively, we need to find two scums to end the day. Who is the consensus second? Have we been using HURT tags to indicate a preference?

My question is... why is the Noraa wagon so static without a counterwagon?

Either it's the easiest miselm ever or scum bussed immediately because it went downhill too fast

Those are usually the options. That's why I asked for the case on Noraa to determine which it was.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you created a fake self for reacting to me getting scrolled but your fake self time-skipped into the past where it typed in the reaction to fidget getting scrolled that it was saving for when I got scrolled.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like what world does this reaction make sense?!?!:

Oh my God

We actually lost

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

*Constantly refreshes*
my heart is beating so fast rn. awaiting this post is nervewrecking

this feels super real to me

because I felt the exact same way at that time

your reaction is fake af

[Bell]

Additional: Murdercat is helpful.
But it might be busy work and an excuse to interact with partners in a way without truly interacting with them.

1580
Is an example, I think he also summarized the game for Vax and somebody else. Rather, it seems pretty non-discriminatory so it is very hard to tell.
I can be helpful like this as town too. Depends who I'm pretending to be that day.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bell if you don't make an amazing case for Murder-Town before the deadline I'm pretty sure I'm scrolling him.

[MURDERCAT]

you created a fake self for reacting to me getting scrolled but your fake self time-skipped into the past where it typed in the reaction to fidget getting scrolled that it was saving for when I got scrolled.

Ok. It was actually a reaction to realizing we are suddenly in a very bad spot. I'm kind of insulted you think I'm that bad despite the fact that as scum I would have played very well to get here. Can you explain why I am throwing the game pushing Noraa when I could have pushed bell and won?

[Bell]

Those are usually the options. That's why I asked for the case on Noraa to determine which it was.

I would sum up the case as this:
- Noraa had what looked like a fake town slip early on about the number of scum there are in the game
- When pressured, Noraa went into LAMIST content generation mode
- Noraa talked about passing the scroll to LLD, who is widely town read, out of spite. This looks like a setup to make it seem as if the blatant town kill isn't actually coming from scum to keep some confusion going into the 3rd flip.

This sounds like Noraa is just an angry emotional player. I'd be run up half my games with this standard. Do you not believe the case?

This sounds like Noraa is just an angry emotional player. I'd be run up half my games with this standard. Do you not believe the case?

I'm currently at about 70% chance of Noraa scum. The problem is that Noraa is an emotional player and did have a very strong emotional reaction. But I also respect her scum game enough to believe that she would use that in her favor and she recently said that she fakes townslips in all her scum games.

she recently said that she fakes townslips in all her scum games.

Where is this?

because you said in the postgame here:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12236870

that you fake townslips as scum, and

Isis are you allowed to tell us how many scum there are?

looks like a faked townslip.

I don't really believe you didn't read the first page of the setup and dont know how many scum there are.

In the future, I'd still love to see hurt tags as a secondary vote.

We have been avoiding this to avoid giving scum info about who to kill, as they can choose townies who won't kill them. Whether or not you agree with that approach.

because you said in the postgame here:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12236870

that you fake townslips as scum, and

Isis are you allowed to tell us how many scum there are?

looks like a faked townslip.

I don't really believe you didn't read the first page of the setup and dont know how many scum there are.

I want to vote Noraa after that, but I don't want to end the day. I'm not a big fan of meta usually but when it's self prescribed then...

I want to vote Noraa after that, but I don't want to end the day.

It is worth noting that we keep all the time left on the deadline when we pass a scroll. We just add 2 days to it

Oh ok.

VOTE: Noraa

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

The reaction to the Fidget wagon was a huge scum tell. Based off that alone, I'm willing to lock scum Murder asap.

Christ finally.

What I would like to understand is why you had no tangible difference between your Murder and Bell reads up until now, and why you were generally fine with Bell being scrolled.

Bell looked pretty shitty before he started obvtowning imo.

I think Murder is trying to pull of a stubborn lylo townie look and furiously looking thru his pt for arguments shelly prolly already drafted out.

It really doesn't come off like that to me. Could you show me why it does?

If Murdercat is scum I'm sure he's working alone here.

If Murder is scum, scums distanced well from him. Barely any interaction and they planned to have Murder carry the entire team since a long time ago.

Btw I still stand by this post

What's your take on Murderkitty defending Fred?

I mean, no shit he's working alone if he's scum cuz if he's scum, he's the last one. I defended Fred at one point bc I thought his wagon looked super similar to mine but I was wrong.

This was a point I brought up a while ago. It was so that she could be like "Oh oops Noraa isnt scum? Lemme just take like 3 game days to fix my reads up a bit"

Maybe, but at least would you agree shelly would be much more likely to do that in an attempt to prop herself up and set up miselims? That's pretty much what I'd expect her to do. You were dead for certain at that point, she didn't really need to help the wagon. So what's her motivation? My guess would be to set up the next elim targets.

It's kinda unfair that you all can say I was dead for certain day 1 but won't let me say that LLD pass was almost certainly coming my way? Like you can't just use logic like this when it benefits u and not use it when it doesn't.

ok fine we are getting nowhere here.

where do you want the scroll to land tommorrow Bell?

that whole convo was not the least bit helpful. 50% bell flailing :/

when I read scum associatives, I always pick the weakest scum player to read because weak players are easier to figure out and they dont understand how to manage associatives. Shelly/Titus/DGB are all experienced enough to manage their associatives and lay down wifom with their partner. Fred is not - unless you think Fred is actually some deepthought scumlord who decided to purposefully lay down 0 associatives with MC in order to give his scumbuddy something to frame MC with at Lylo?

seeing that he died the moment he replaced in ..... he def isnt a deepthought scumlord.

[MURDERCAT]

Additional: Murdercat is helpful.
But it might be busy work and an excuse to interact with partners in a way without truly interacting with them.

This is the easiest thing to fake as scum and I do it all the time, sorry. I do it as part of my town game and am aware of it

[Bell]

Titus poker face. in 1595.
Ugh.

[Bell]

Additional: Murdercat is helpful.
But it might be busy work and an excuse to interact with partners in a way without truly interacting with them.

This is the easiest thing to fake as scum and I do it all the time, sorry. I do it as part of my town game and am aware of it

Thanks for sharing.

[MURDERCAT]

Thanks for sharing.

Sorry but if this is part of the town case on me it can be picked apart. I think I have evidence that hasn't been addressed and things that don't make sense if I'm scum. Noraa literally is being allowed to get away with doing nothing.

[Noraa]

Ok. It was actually a reaction to realizing we are suddenly in a very bad spot. I'm kind of insulted you think I'm that bad despite the fact that as scum I would have played very well to get here. Can you explain why I am throwing the game pushing Noraa when I could have pushed bell and won?

Bell is obvtowning much more than me.....

if anything, scum def push me :/

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ok. It was actually a reaction to realizing we are suddenly in a very bad spot. I'm kind of insulted you think I'm that bad despite the fact that as scum I would have played very well to get here. Can you explain why I am throwing the game pushing Noraa when I could have pushed bell and won?

I don't think you're bad enough to think I actually wanted to scroll Bell.

[Bell]

Nah, it's just joke.

I have muay thai class in 26 minutes.

How much time do we have left?

[Noraa]

I don't think you're bad enough to think I actually wanted to scroll Bell.

u just called me bad....

[Fidget]

We've done shelly and Fred. May as well continue..

Titus is against Noraa wagon in a response to Murdercat laying it out
..but upon reading Pooky's townslip case, is now in favor of killing Noraa. (comes with a vote)
Shifts her focus to Pooky.
Tunneling Pooky..
Clarifies she very much wants Noraa dead.
Noraa is Titus' number one kill choice. Well she says it isn't ranked but Noraa was listed first.
Scratch that, Pooky is her #1.
Wants Noraa dead for VCA purposes.
Chose Noraa first on day two with her vote.
Later, decides Noraa is town for VCA. Says that scum was voting Noraa. Says scum was hard bussing Fred.
String of positive Murdercat interactions.
Grilling Noraa on why she thinks Fidget is town.
Passes to Taylor.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

We have until the stars fall from the sky.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

u just called me bad....

If you look closely it says I think you're good

[MURDERCAT]

I don't think you're bad enough to think I actually wanted to scroll Bell.

Really? I am surprised. I had assumed all of the stuff about you saying you would scroll me was you trying to avoid me wanting to scroll you as it would cause us to lose. When you flipped green I assumed it was an attempt to get the scroll so you could control a shot towards bell