Death Curse

[Fidget]

Fred happens to be the most inexperience and worst scum out of them all also.....

Unless ur telling me all of the scums sucked ass except Fred....

Yes. You've got Frederick going for you. I'm not locked in yet, specifically because of his behavior.

But even then, I can think of two reasons to hit LLD: A.) She was the towniest player and had to die at some point and B.) All least two other townbloc members (Bell, Mushy) would have shot shelly for sure, with Murder as a "maybe".

I cannot explain why he chose to tunnel you. That's probably one of the only mysteries I haven't figured out a solution for. Perhaps it is connected with how the entire scumteam thought it wise to tunnel you. A tactic of some kind, I'm not really sure. It's not enough for me to trust you. I need something that incriminates Murder or something that actually makes you think it's him.

[Fidget]

Timer: (expired on 2020-11-20 21:36:19)

Gonna do the same thing for Noraa soon and see where that gets me.

[Noraa]

The entire case on me is basically just that the scums set everything up around me being scum. Except if they all knew their buddy was gonna die, wouldn't they set up all this shit and be on her wagon for double the towncred?

It looks really weird if u say someone is confscum but then refuse to join their wagon eh?

Fmpov it was scum seeing a potential 100% town driven mislim where they could keep their hands clean and watch town wreck itself but they also wanted to push it along and through shading me and preflip analysis, they almost pushed my wagon over with only 1 scum on wagon. Then again I remember Fred, Vaultdweller, Lapsa, and Zdeneck were all lurkers so it doesn't phase me that they just copy pasted Shellys reads.

Afterwards, they realized they couldn't save Fred, wanted a S -> T -> T so they planned a Fred -> LLD -> Noraa. It failed. They continue to push me bc its an easy wagon to sit on.

[Noraa]

But even then, I can think of two reasons to hit LLD: A.) She was the towniest player and had to die at some point and B.) All least two other townbloc members (Bell, Mushy) would have shot shelly for sure, with Murder as a "maybe".

LLD almost certainly went to me. It was legitimately 100% me or Theta. The only reason why LLD didn't shoot me was because all of town was super against it.

[Noraa]

Plus I remember everyone thought Shellys interactions with Pooky had high scum equity.

Why are we even trying to understand what shelly was trying to do at all?

It's literally just layers upon layers of pure fucking wifom.

[MURDERCAT]

I cannot explain why he chose to tunnel you. That's probably one of the only mysteries I haven't figured out a solution for. Perhaps it is connected with how the entire scumteam thought it wise to tunnel you. A tactic of some kind, I'm not really sure. It's not enough for me to trust you.

I think there was a clear effort to distance from Noraa, with the assumption that she would be the first to go. Fred wasn't heavily scum read when he started pushing Noraa. I think he was locked into it when he started getting pushed hard himself.

[MURDERCAT]

LLD almost certainly went to me.

It is possible this actually was the plan, to try to get some town cred for Shelly, Titus, and Goofball who suddenly were taking a lot of heat for sussing Noraa. Which would then make LLD not hitting Noraa the funniest thing to happen in a game I've been in since Pooky shooting his own traitor

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

NM shot Kasu for the record

[MURDERCAT]

You helped

[Fidget]

The entire case on me is basically just that the scums set everything up around me being scum. Except if they all knew their buddy was gonna die, wouldn't they set up all this shit and be on her wagon for double the towncred?

I’m not sure if we should just dogpile on Noraa now or just have a gentle beings agreement to give them the scroll later. Though I think the latter could be a problem in getting situated with good reads and atmosphere.

no this is fence-sitting

I love the bell-noraa push

VOTE: noraa

I know scum!noraa, this is exactly like them. self awareness, overdefensiveness instead of reads, cautiousness instead of stubborness

^There are 100 examples of shelly talking like this

lld i dont like how youre trying to paint me as scum here. if im scum, regardless of noraa's alignment, its an awful play for me to be so blatant in defending her. i get wayyy more scrutiny than WK points, and if she flips scum i probably die too.

this is right
bell is scum for basically refusing to read noraa
noraa is scum for outlined reasons
LLD is town because lld/noraa is not s/s
taylor is town because of this post

why is murder town btw, entrance doesn't really ping either way

^Setting up Bell as with Noraa

Ah yes, I knew that my vote against Noraa would lead to good things.
The wagon looks promising, Noraa's reaction to the pressure has indeed been flaily.
Adorable's vote was not great.

Think this is quite LAMIST
Hey I’m voting with you all! I’m town for this!

Adorable shade not explained which is weird

^Setting up UNOwen as with Noraa

I've read up to page 6, and skimmed the more recent stuff.
Unvote

Consider my vote on Noraa.

I'm inclined to agree that Noraa's town-slip looks faked, and the meta argument for why it is scummy seems good to me.

My top three scum reads are Noraa, Owen and Bell.

What's this all about?

Ah yes, I knew that my vote against Noraa would lead to good things.
The wagon looks promising, Noraa's reaction to the pressure has indeed been flaily.
Adorable's vote was not great.

^Setting up UNOwen as a Noraa partner

VOTE: Noraa

^Lapsa votes you when its rising

shellyc
UNOwen
Hopkirk
Titus
Zdenek

Ranked.

..But mysteriously drops it later

Oh ok.

VOTE: Noraa

Noraa
Pooky
Adorable
Lapsa
Theta

Subject to change. Not ranked.

4/4 of them bussed you Noraa.

[MURDERCAT]

Why are we even trying to understand what shelly was trying to do at all?

It's literally just layers upon layers of pure fucking wifom.

You seemed ok with it when it was being used against me

[Fidget]

But even then, I can think of two reasons to hit LLD: A.) She was the towniest player and had to die at some point and B.) All least two other townbloc members (Bell, Mushy) would have shot shelly for sure, with Murder as a "maybe".

LLD almost certainly went to me. It was legitimately 100% me or Theta. The only reason why LLD didn't shoot me was because all of town was super against it.

You weren't even in her top 5 at the end of it all.

Could scum have known that? Probably not, I agree. But it turned out you were never in danger. Did scum put you at risk, though? Yes, I agree. If they are as farsighted as you seem to think they are, this is actually a really great calculated risk by them if you think abt it.

Was it better than scrolling Bell or Mush? YES.

Pooky would have missed, though, so perhaps he would have been good. But LLD was far townier than he. I need something more.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You helped

well I couldn't really stop him.

the man is an animal. :3

[MURDERCAT]

The avatar certainly fits

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

murdercat you wouldn't lie to me would you?

[Noraa]

LLD almost certainly went to me.

It is possible this actually was the plan, to try to get some town cred for Shelly, Titus, and Goofball who suddenly were taking a lot of heat for sussing Noraa. Which would then make LLD not hitting Noraa the funniest thing to happen in a game I've been in since Pooky shooting his own traitor

At the time I was more widely TRed than shelly if I remember correctly so like ..... no

[Noraa]

Why are we even trying to understand what shelly was trying to do at all?

It's literally just layers upon layers of pure fucking wifom.

You seemed ok with it when it was being used against me

none of the scum team talked to u. That isn't something that is a lie or can be interpreted many ways?

Y'all say they bussed me but that's merely how u choose to see it. There are many other ways to see it and I don't see it as bussing cuz my role pm is green and scums only bus red ones. Idk why they played like that day 1 but ig we'll have to ask postgame for an explanation.

[MURDERCAT]

murdercat you wouldn't lie to me would you?

Of course I would, if I were scum

I think I played a relatively townie game that includes things I wouldn't do as scum. It's up to you and Fidget if you think that tracks

[Noraa]

Was it better than scrolling Bell or Mush? YES.

no?

[MURDERCAT]

There are many other ways to see it

It doesn't feel like you've gone through the effort of quoting posts and making arguments to support this claim.

[Fidget]

LLD almost certainly went to me.

It is possible this actually was the plan, to try to get some town cred for Shelly, Titus, and Goofball who suddenly were taking a lot of heat for sussing Noraa. Which would then make LLD not hitting Noraa the funniest thing to happen in a game I've been in since Pooky shooting his own traitor :)

At the time I was more widely TRed than shelly if I remember correctly so like ..... no

So in other words, it was less likely that LLD would shoot you, as compared to Murder/Mush/Bell shooting shelly?

Yes I know that I'm arguing the opposite point as Murder and making it impossible for you to explain this, but in my interpretation you weren't intended to die. I think it's a calculated gamble that paid off big, evidently. Ties into the whole distancing thing they've got going with you really nicely.

I'm starting the ISO now, maybe there's something I've missed. If you are town I am truly sorry for being so wrong.

[Fidget]

Was it better than scrolling Bell or Mush? YES.

no?

By what reasoning? This is mine:

- Bell would have shot shelly.
- Mush would have shot shelly.

[Fidget]

murdercat you wouldn't lie to me would you?

Of course I would, if I were scum :twisted:

I think I played a relatively townie game that includes things I wouldn't do as scum. It's up to you and Fidget if you think that tracks

You'll break my heart Murder.

[Noraa]

So in other words, it was less likely that LLD would shoot you, as compared to Murder/Mush/Bell shooting shelly?

Yeah.
LLD had expressed only literally 3 SRs in all her time.
Theta, Me, Hoppy, and someone else can't remember who.
Anyways two of her SRs had died.
Her Sr on Theta was never stronger than mine. Half her ISO is directed at me. I don't think anyone can argue that it didn't 100% look like she was gunna shoot me immediately.

[Noraa]

No. More than half her iso is about me. I don't even think that's an exaggeration.