Death Curse

[MURDERCAT]

Yes I know that I'm arguing the opposite point as Murder and making it impossible for you to explain this, but in my interpretation you weren't intended to die. I think it's a calculated gamble that paid off big, evidently. Ties into the whole distancing thing they've got going with you really nicely.

In fairness to Noraa, the "LLD was shot with the intention of shooting the heavily town read town!Noraa" does make the most sense. The claim though has been that there are no other possible explanations and I think we have shown that this is not the case. So if that was a major part of the town case for Noraa (as it was for me) the town case no longer seems so bulletproof.

[MURDERCAT]

You'll break my heart Murder.

Oh I wouldn't lie to you Fidget, just Pooky

Actually, I think a good scum game involves as little lying as possible.

[Bell]

Dead line too close.

Burnt out.

I think just looking at how Murdercat is treating Noraa as if everything she's saying is an act kind of speaks for itself too.
Normally it would seem like murdercat is being mean spirited here, but when you think about it from a town murdercat perspective it makes perfect sense to see what she's saying and think it looks silly which results in his unempathetic perspective.
He knows something the rest of us aren't quite as sure of yet beause we're deiding between Noraa and MC, but MC and Noraa don't have that issue because they're able to see who they have to fight now.

MC's comes off as more natural.
How Noraa has engaged this day phase with others is not a direct path of engagement. It is mixed with sentimentality designed to manipulate. But it doesn't fit the package.

[Noraa]

Ties into the whole distancing thing they've got going with you really nicely.

PFFT. distancing? They distanced from Murder way more than me. Every post they made basically just makes me look like a partner.

All signs point to me being scum from all of the dead scums. That doesn't seem alarming? Literally the amount of interaction with me is seriously over the top if I'm a partner and they are all going insane.

I am not the partner. It's 90% Murder. 10% Bell.

[MURDERCAT]

Normally it would seem like murdercat is being mean spirited here, but when you think about it from a town murdercat perspective it makes perfect sense to see what she's saying and think it looks silly which results in his unempathetic perspective.
He knows something the rest of us aren't quite as sure of yet beause we're deiding between Noraa and MC, but MC and Noraa don't have that issue because they're able to see who they have to fight now.

Especially when you consider how concerned I was about Noraa's feelings in D1

There is the distant thought in my head that you are still technically a possibility but Noraa's posts today have me strongly convinced

[Bell]

I won't lie though, the nature of my reread was such that I'm basically taking into account early game and elo whilst missing the majority of the midday phase.

Whilst fidget as confirmed town has read through everything of his I have/had not nearly as much to work off of because I just plain didn't make it in time.

[MURDERCAT]

2 days is not very long and I shit post a lot

[Noraa]

Bell and Fidget we're about to lose. buckle up and prepare for a town loss. I've basically accepted it at this point.

LLD pass is extremely strong evidence that I am town.

Considering a Noraa/Shelly/DGB/Titus/Fred scum team, I would be the most TRed at the time of the LLD pass. Almost 80% of LLD's ISO is talking about how scummy I am. LLD took a huge break from the game but each time she dropped by, she reiterated her read on me. In that scenario, scum team really just passes to basically the only person there that would pass to me to save shelly who is universally SRed?

Seriously?

[Noraa]

Since no one cares about this hella strong reason I'm town and why I'm even an IC to begin with, we will lose.

That is the core of why I am town and no one believes it any longer.

There is no more to say if that is the case.

[Bell]

I've been buckling up for this ever since Pookie flipped town.

[Fidget]

Ties into the whole distancing thing they've got going with you really nicely.

PFFT. distancing? They distanced from Murder way more than me. Every post they made basically just makes me look like a partner.

All signs point to me being scum from all of the dead scums. That doesn't seem alarming? Literally the amount of interaction with me is seriously over the top if I'm a partner and they are all going insane.

I am not the partner. It's 90% Murder. 10% Bell.

Did scum ever speak to Murder for more than 15 seconds? Correct me if so, but radio silence is not exactly what I think of when I hear 'distancing'.

The interactions I am pulling that incriminate you came

when scum thought you were dead. You cannot be getting set up because they thought you would be dead before now.

They treated you like they knew you'd flip scum and immediately began positioning to kill off non-voters and suspicious town 'bussers'.

[MURDERCAT]

universally SRed

This is a huge stretch, I think even Bell had backed off around Fred flip

[Fidget]

Since no one cares about this hella strong reason I'm town and why I'm even an IC to begin with, we will lose.

That is the core of why I am town and no one believes it any longer.

There is no more to say if that is the case.

Is that the only thing you have for me to prove that you're town?

Something

happened this game. How am I to know that it wasn't that pass by Fred? We locktowned someone by mistake, Noraa.

[Noraa]

universally SRed

This is a huge stretch, I think even Bell had backed off around Fred flip

no it's not. All of u guys were like LLD is best pass because everyone else passes to shelly. U cant back up and change that argument just like this.

[MURDERCAT]

Since no one cares about this hella strong reason I'm town and why I'm even an IC to begin with, we will lose.

That is the core of why I am town and no one believes it any longer.

There is no more to say if that is the case.

If it's this and your emotional posts I think I've shown (or at least attempt to show) why both are not conclusive. What do you have to say for me putting 2 SRs who were relatively safe in an early list that I was 100% (comically even) committed to? What do you have to say about me linking Titus to Shelly pre Shelly flip?

[Noraa]

Everyone here that is town is confbiasing so hard its not even funny.

[Bell]

It's not enough for me Noraa.
There are obvious gaps and work arounds to your logic.
I've explained this to gloria before.

The scum team is not one person, they make decisions and coordinate, sometimes they go off on their own and do something that puts their teammates in a bad position. Sometimes they derp around.

Handing the scroll to LLD was not a death sentence, there is even proof that showed that LLD probably wouldn't scroll you before she got scrolled that you seem to be ignoring here.

[MURDERCAT]

no it's not. All of u guys were like LLD is best pass because everyone else passes to shelly. U cant back up and change that argument just like this.

Ok fair point

[Bell]

I don't know what to say to that Noraa, I'm trying as hard as I can to see how the scum team played around you.

I will not be utterly shocked and heart broken if you flip town. I guess this more than anything is an indication I'm not tunneled.
I know enough about myself that I can see it being you or Mc, just based off of my half-assed efforts I think it's you.

I am sorry if I am wrong.

[Noraa]

Yeah....
I can't work with a town that is confbiasing this hard.
Y'all are assuming I'm scum and then looking for reasons.

[Noraa]

Requesting that deadline be extended

I have chem class rn and I want a chance to fix this.

[Bell]

I don't remember making that argument that it would be bad to pass it to Shelly or what not.
So I guess I'm not one of the guys.

[Bell]

Yeah....
I can't work with a town that is confbiasing this hard.
Y'all are assuming I'm scum and then looking for reasons.

Nope.

[Fidget]

Yeah....
I can't work with a town that is confbiasing this hard.
Y'all are assuming I'm scum and then looking for reasons.

I'm really not, but I imagine I'm going to get a lot of shit like this postgame if you're town.

You are far scummier this Eylo. It's hardly comparable.

[Hectic]

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