Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: s_s ehh ok

Why?

[Hoopla]

{me, hoopla, mena}

We need to find one more town.

i would gamble the game on the neighbouriser being town.

[Menalque]

I’m not sure he would actually — I’m notoriously bad at catching scum him — he might NK me for general reasons (if there’s just no doc at all, he figured that if there was one they’d be on lilith or skitter) and so i was less likely to have a doc on me but still a solid kill

But overall I don’t think he’d be that worried about me as a threat /to him in particular/ i think he’d only kill me as a general respect for my ability to be a pain in the ass for scum sometimes

[petapan]

tgp had a better read on hoopla than me, huh

[Menalque]

{me, hoopla, mena}

We need to find one more town.

i would gamble the game on the neighbouriser being town.

Does knowing I would actively prioritise getting neighbouriser if I was scum impact this take at all?

[Menalque]

We should really consider NM for a bit here as well tho

I think probably town for the reaction to the cop claim, but worth rechecking

False innos are the fastest way to lose a game

[Menalque]

VOTE: s_s ehh ok

Why?

+1

[petapan]

VOTE: Infinity

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: s_s ehh ok

Why?

Hoopla convinced me, honestly I’m pretty comfortable just sheeping her at this stage. Maybe night actions will help clarify dave’s claim and help sort peta by proxy.

{me, hoopla, mena}

We need to find one more town.

i would gamble the game on the neighbouriser being town.

Oh wow. Unfortunately I did my math wrong and we need to find another town. It also relies on y’all trusting me. But I really think PoE is how we’re solving this game.

[Hoopla]

I’m not sure he would actually — I’m notoriously bad at catching scum him — he might NK me for general reasons (if there’s just no doc at all, he figured that if there was one they’d be on lilith or skitter) and so i was less likely to have a doc on me but still a solid kill

But overall I don’t think he’d be that worried about me as a threat /to him in particular/ i think he’d only kill me as a general respect for my ability to be a pain in the ass for scum sometimes

scum have informed, so if there's no doc, scum

knew

there was no doc N1.

[Menalque]

Infinity and hoopla I really don’t think S_S is the one today, and i think you should probably also listen to skitter there

If peta is town then I guess I’d lean towards S_S over infinity fairly strongly at this point, I’d definitely consider it

But if peta is scum then that problem is just resolve, I’m willing to clear S_S off that too, and then we have another de facto conf!town player and a good shot at winning

[Menalque]

I’m not sure he would actually — I’m notoriously bad at catching scum him — he might NK me for general reasons (if there’s just no doc at all, he figured that if there was one they’d be on lilith or skitter) and so i was less likely to have a doc on me but still a solid kill

But overall I don’t think he’d be that worried about me as a threat /to him in particular/ i think he’d only kill me as a general respect for my ability to be a pain in the ass for scum sometimes

scum have informed, so if there's no doc, scum

knew

there was no doc N1.

Unless they knew there was no watcher? Remember they only get informed of one thing

[Something_Smart]

Hoopla convinced me, honestly I’m pretty comfortable just sheeping her at this stage.

What did Hoopla say that was convincing?

[Infinity 324]

SS makes the most sense as a player who would try to kill a town-you N1. but SS also makes sense as a player who i suspect would consider no-killing N1 given his adeptness regarding mechanics/strategy.

[petapan]

claiming i somehow made a mechanical fuckup on the process i initiated is peak absurdity when there's verifiable proof i'd be trying to plan a cop claim if a teammate took redirector

but my feeling is at least 2 of the people i'm talking to here are scum so i don't really expect to persuade them

[Something_Smart]

SS makes the most sense as a player who would try to kill a town-you N1. but SS also makes sense as a player who i suspect would consider no-killing N1 given his adeptness regarding mechanics/strategy.

How is that compelling? All it takes is one person on the scumteam saying that Menalque is a strong player for the scum to attack him. Just because peta isn't familiar with him doesn't mean nobody on his team is.

[Hoopla]

Does knowing I would actively prioritise getting neighbouriser if I was scum impact this take at all?

a lot of people talk up a big WIFOM game,

"oh, i'd definitely double up numbers if i was scum, i'd definitely pick X, Y & Z rah rah rah"

, but when it comes down to it few have the nerves to throw a curveball pregame - that's why we see lopsided observed results of 13-0 for neighbouriser scumpicks, and 15-0 for scum not doubling up numbers.

most of the time (pregame especially), scum will just take the path of least resistance (or the paths that keep the most options open).

[Menalque]

No I’d pick neighbouriser because I like PTs

This is the problem hoopla, you’re assuming all the decisions made will be to try and play the game to the maximum wincon % but a lot of us make at least some of the decisions for reasons totally unrelated to that, in this case role being part of that

I don’t play PyP to minmax, I play it because I like the people in the game and maybe I’ll get a cool role that I like

[Hoopla]

Infinity and hoopla I really don’t think S_S is the one today,

and i think you should probably also listen to skitter there

this is a good point. i forgot SS was skitter's top town read.

but at the same time, she is dead; her reads existed in a gamestate with far less information. a lot has changed since massclaim, namely our ability to PoE the game in a more detailed way. so i think today's information takes precedence.

[Menalque]

*second top

I was her top town read

And nah I don’t think that’s persuasive — there isn’t really a clear reason for it to not be Dave/peta, and S_S isn’t made more scummy mechanically by what’s happened

[Menalque]

And your PoE attempt mechanically is clearing 2 people who really shouldn’t be cleared from it

We really do need to talk about NM and not forget him entirely

[Menalque]

VOTE: lilith

[petapan]

VOTE: menalque

[Hoopla]

there's a part of me that is a little nervous that mine and infinity's reads are matching up too well. but i suppose to win the game, we need a big enough group of town to mindmeld in a largely cohesive manner.

i feel like we desperately need a scumflip today to show we're on the right track. if we mis-elim today, i don't trust our ability to win this from a 7p lylo given how wishy-washy and fluid everyone's reads have seemed to be.

[Menalque]

Okay, I think (?) that’s G-1 on me and I’m going to sleep so if anyone else votes me remember that it’s probably a death sentence because Nm etc etc