Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

[Hoopla]

@dave, N_M, lilith, peta

if menalque is scum, who are his partners?

[petapan]

if it's not you, very possibly infinity and...someone

[Infinity 324]

3424 makes me sad

I do think this game is winnable in a town!mena world. But idk.

VOTE: peta is what I’m most comfortable with rn.

[Hoopla]

3424 makes me sad

I do think this game is winnable in a town!mena world. But idk.

VOTE: peta is what I’m most comfortable with rn.

i'm not completely discounting winning in a town!mena world, but it really depends on who those vocal about mena are pairing him with and if they're willing to compromise on secondary reads. if peta/N_M/dave/lilith see someone else as a top buddy for mena, that may be a more optimal execution that yields good equity in both scum!mena

and

town!mena worlds.

this is why i want to talk specifically to peta/N_M/dave/lilith about who they see mena as scum with.

i think SS and BB have good equity in both mena!scum & mena!town worlds. perhaps you (infinity) also, but i think you make more sense if mena is scum.

[Infinity 324]

I guess. It’s just that scum don’t have much reason to bus, so if lilith and peta are scum like I feel then this strategy is pretty unlikely to hit scum.

[petapan]

i'm sure as hell no no-killing on night 1 as scum

hoopla trying to have me compromise my vote off menalque makes me want to keep it there more. my concern is opposite hers in that if he's scum i feel like today is the last chance there is to get him

[Menalque]

i think SS and BB have good equity in both mena!scum & mena!town worlds. perhaps you (infinity) also, but i think you make more sense if mena is scum.

[Menalque]

Ffs my phone crashed

Original message read

“Okay, let’s talk about this

Why do you think those two have good equity with me?”

[Menalque]

i'd gamble on N_M being town over a tonal town read like menalque, and to a lesser extent dave over infinity. i feel like i'm also willing to lose to universes where lilith is scum too.

Why on all of these but especially on Dave > infinity and on being okay with losing in a world where lilith is scum. Like, what has lilith done that says to you that she’s town?

[Menalque]

Also, I will be bringing it up in postgame if it turns out lilith is town and saved a kill on me to everyone who was basically like “lol who would kill you N1 mena, so unlikely hahaha, must be a doc who saved the same night, or you’re scum lol”

[Menalque]

I don’t think I have good scum equity with anyone in the game rn with the possible exception of hoopla, although I can kind of see how she’s getting there on BB/S_S being potential buddies to me

But I think I can explain why they’re not, and I think the fact that basically no-one makes sense as scum *with* me is very strong evidence for why I’m town

[Menalque]

I drew up the game on paper last night to try and visualise it better, and here’s the thing:

Scum has to be in (infinity, S_S, dave, peta, NM) because the cop/redirector must be in those slots somewhere

Problems: peta is claiming that he went for 1s watcher IF peta is town, that means that 1s watcher slot is in (Dave, S_S, infinity) and Dave is claiming it. Dave claiming it doesn’t make him town, but it does mean scum has to be in S_S/infinity, which is problematic because I’m TRing both of them/so was skitter, and the people who are making the case that it’s mechanically scum in (S_S/infinity) are themselves the slots that would otherwise be prime for elimination today

Also, NN could be the redirector, but is claiming neighbouriser. So he can only be the redirector if BB is the real neighbouriser, or if (peta, Dave, infinity, S_S is) but that seems highly unlikely. However, it is troubling that there is no actual confirmation that N_M is the neighbouriser and that lilith *happens* to have targeted him meaning it’s still unconfirmed today

[Menalque]

So the big question is: was skitter/am I wrong about S_S/infinity? And relatedly, how willing are peta/Dave to tie themselves together in a way that if one flips the other likely does to, if they’re both scum? And finally, are there worlds where only one of peta/Dave is town, and the tying them together is to falsely set up the other?

[Menalque]

I guess one thing is maybe S_S/infinity would be more amenable to my execution if they /were/ scum because it’s good cover for them to push one of (Dave, peta, lili) tomorrow for the win? And like, also I think while I’m definitely the target for the game losing misguillo tomorrow if i miss scum today, I would imagine I’m still probably more of a pain in the ass to get flipped tomorrow than one of those 3 (with mena!town confirmed) so I think I would lowkey expect them to support killing me more?

Concerns are that if they think I look like I’m going down anyway, they might be white knighting for cred

[Menalque]

For a team that has Dave and peta, what’s the route to a win? Kill me today, then leave infinity/S_S alive and claim a guilty there or just that there has to be scum there mechanically? I guess to me this play doesn’t seem worth the risk, because that play is harder to make with me dead I think, but maybe they just see it differently

[Best Bird]

Jesus you all have posted a lot.

[Best Bird]

Ooh Dave vry scummy posting.

[Best Bird]

Also, NN could be the redirector, but is claiming neighbouriser. So he can only be the redirector if BB is the real neighbouriser,

There’s a neighborizer. I went for fruit vendor. Highly likely n_m is neighborizer.

[Best Bird]

idk...I like mena a lot more from the past 10 pages but it’s not outside his scum range and obviously I’m just paranoid.

Also, can confirm I would have tried to kill Town!mena N1 unless I knew there was no doc/town jk then I would have tried to kill skitter.

[Menalque]

Also, NN could be the redirector, but is claiming neighbouriser. So he can only be the redirector if BB is the real neighbouriser,

There’s a neighborizer. I went for fruit vendor. Highly likely n_m is neighborizer.

Oh, I know there’s a neighbouriser, I’m just contemplating if it could be not!NM if there’s some sort of gambit happening here. E.g. peta is neighbouriser and NM is redirector and they reversed the claims for ??? reasons

[Menalque]

I will concede that I think NM is /very probably/ the neighbouriser, it’s just like... the sequence of events here that have led to no confirmation of that doesn’t help

Also isn’t helpful that dunn never said anything along the lines of “I think the neighbouriser is town for when they do out”

[Menalque]

What do you think about my dave/peta/infinity/S_S conundrum, Best Bird?

[Best Bird]

That seems overly complicated for not much (any?) benefit. Plus, I don't see it within n_m's wheelhouse to lie about neighborhood content/interactions.

[Best Bird]

What do you think about my dave/peta/infinity/S_S conundrum, Best Bird?

It makes my head hurt. I can see the dave/peta thing but I don't know how I feel about it on gut yet.

[Best Bird]

And like - dave's posting today was just bad