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Post Post #3425 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:10 pm

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@dave, N_M, lilith, peta

if menalque is scum, who are his partners?
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Post Post #3426 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:09 pm

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if it's not you, very possibly infinity and...someone
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Post Post #3427 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:26 pm

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makes me sad

I do think this game is winnable in a town!mena world. But idk.

VOTE: peta is what I’m most comfortable with rn.
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Post Post #3428 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:49 pm

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In post 3427, Infinity 324 wrote: makes me sad

I do think this game is winnable in a town!mena world. But idk.

VOTE: peta is what I’m most comfortable with rn.
i'm not completely discounting winning in a town!mena world, but it really depends on who those vocal about mena are pairing him with and if they're willing to compromise on secondary reads. if peta/N_M/dave/lilith see someone else as a top buddy for mena, that may be a more optimal execution that yields good equity in both scum!mena
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town!mena worlds.

this is why i want to talk specifically to peta/N_M/dave/lilith about who they see mena as scum with.

i think SS and BB have good equity in both mena!scum & mena!town worlds. perhaps you (infinity) also, but i think you make more sense if mena is scum.
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Post Post #3429 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:22 pm

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I guess. It’s just that scum don’t have much reason to bus, so if lilith and peta are scum like I feel then this strategy is pretty unlikely to hit scum.
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Post Post #3430 (ISO) » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:26 pm

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i'm sure as hell no no-killing on night 1 as scum

hoopla trying to have me compromise my vote off menalque makes me want to keep it there more. my concern is opposite hers in that if he's scum i feel like today is the last chance there is to get him
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Post Post #3431 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:27 am

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In post 3428, Hoopla wrote:i think SS and BB have good equity in both mena!scum & mena!town worlds. perhaps you (infinity) also, but i think you make more sense if mena is scum.
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Post Post #3432 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:28 am

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Ffs my phone crashed

Original message read

“Okay, let’s talk about this

Why do you think those two have good equity with me?”
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Post Post #3433 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:30 am

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In post 3424, Hoopla wrote:i'd gamble on N_M being town over a tonal town read like menalque, and to a lesser extent dave over infinity. i feel like i'm also willing to lose to universes where lilith is scum too.
Why on all of these but especially on Dave > infinity and on being okay with losing in a world where lilith is scum. Like, what has lilith done that says to you that she’s town?
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Post Post #3434 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:34 am

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Also, I will be bringing it up in postgame if it turns out lilith is town and saved a kill on me to everyone who was basically like “lol who would kill you N1 mena, so unlikely hahaha, must be a doc who saved the same night, or you’re scum lol”
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Post Post #3435 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:36 am

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I don’t think I have good scum equity with anyone in the game rn with the possible exception of hoopla, although I can kind of see how she’s getting there on BB/S_S being potential buddies to me

But I think I can explain why they’re not, and I think the fact that basically no-one makes sense as scum *with* me is very strong evidence for why I’m town
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Post Post #3436 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:41 am

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I drew up the game on paper last night to try and visualise it better, and here’s the thing:

Scum has to be in (infinity, S_S, dave, peta, NM) because the cop/redirector must be in those slots somewhere

Problems: peta is claiming that he went for 1s watcher IF peta is town, that means that 1s watcher slot is in (Dave, S_S, infinity) and Dave is claiming it. Dave claiming it doesn’t make him town, but it does mean scum has to be in S_S/infinity, which is problematic because I’m TRing both of them/so was skitter, and the people who are making the case that it’s mechanically scum in (S_S/infinity) are themselves the slots that would otherwise be prime for elimination today

Also, NN could be the redirector, but is claiming neighbouriser. So he can only be the redirector if BB is the real neighbouriser, or if (peta, Dave, infinity, S_S is) but that seems highly unlikely. However, it is troubling that there is no actual confirmation that N_M is the neighbouriser and that lilith *happens* to have targeted him meaning it’s still unconfirmed today
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Post Post #3437 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:43 am

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So the big question is: was skitter/am I wrong about S_S/infinity? And relatedly, how willing are peta/Dave to tie themselves together in a way that if one flips the other likely does to, if they’re both scum? And finally, are there worlds where only one of peta/Dave is town, and the tying them together is to falsely set up the other?
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Post Post #3438 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:52 am

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I guess one thing is maybe S_S/infinity would be more amenable to my execution if they /were/ scum because it’s good cover for them to push one of (Dave, peta, lili) tomorrow for the win? And like, also I think while I’m definitely the target for the game losing misguillo tomorrow if i miss scum today, I would imagine I’m still probably more of a pain in the ass to get flipped tomorrow than one of those 3 (with mena!town confirmed) so I think I would lowkey expect them to support killing me more?

Concerns are that if they think I look like I’m going down anyway, they might be white knighting for cred
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Post Post #3439 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:54 am

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For a team that has Dave and peta, what’s the route to a win? Kill me today, then leave infinity/S_S alive and claim a guilty there or just that there has to be scum there mechanically? I guess to me this play doesn’t seem worth the risk, because that play is harder to make with me dead I think, but maybe they just see it differently
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Post Post #3440 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:58 am

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Jesus you all have posted a lot.
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Post Post #3441 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:04 am

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Ooh Dave vry scummy posting.
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Post Post #3442 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:05 am

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In post 3436, Menalque wrote:Also, NN could be the redirector, but is claiming neighbouriser. So he can only be the redirector if BB is the real neighbouriser,
There’s a neighborizer. I went for fruit vendor. Highly likely n_m is neighborizer.
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Post Post #3443 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:07 am

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idk...I like mena a lot more from the past 10 pages but it’s not outside his scum range and obviously I’m just paranoid.

Also, can confirm I would have tried to kill Town!mena N1 unless I knew there was no doc/town jk then I would have tried to kill skitter.
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Post Post #3444 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:45 am

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In post 3442, Best Bird wrote:
In post 3436, Menalque wrote:Also, NN could be the redirector, but is claiming neighbouriser. So he can only be the redirector if BB is the real neighbouriser,
There’s a neighborizer. I went for fruit vendor. Highly likely n_m is neighborizer.
Oh, I know there’s a neighbouriser, I’m just contemplating if it could be not!NM if there’s some sort of gambit happening here. E.g. peta is neighbouriser and NM is redirector and they reversed the claims for ??? reasons
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Post Post #3445 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:46 am

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I will concede that I think NM is /very probably/ the neighbouriser, it’s just like... the sequence of events here that have led to no confirmation of that doesn’t help

Also isn’t helpful that dunn never said anything along the lines of “I think the neighbouriser is town for when they do out”
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Post Post #3446 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:46 am

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What do you think about my dave/peta/infinity/S_S conundrum, Best Bird?
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Post Post #3447 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:47 am

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That seems overly complicated for not much (any?) benefit. Plus, I don't see it within n_m's wheelhouse to lie about neighborhood content/interactions.
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Post Post #3448 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:48 am

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In post 3446, Menalque wrote:What do you think about my dave/peta/infinity/S_S conundrum, Best Bird?
It makes my head hurt. I can see the dave/peta thing but I don't know how I feel about it on gut yet.
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Post Post #3449 (ISO) » Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:48 am

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And like - dave's posting today was just bad
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