Micro 983 | The Council: Student Council Edition! | The End!

[Uncrowned]

No, I said I think 1 of the 3 is scum and that the other two were being semi-pocketed, and now I think MURDER is less likely to be part of that, so it's more like 1 of Infinity/Noraa are scum.

The other scum is probably between Flea/Gamma.

[Purple Heart]

No, I said I think 1 of the 3 is scum and that the other two were being semi-pocketed, and now I think MURDER is less likely to be part of that, so it's more like 1 of Infinity/Noraa are scum.

The other scum is probably between Flea/Gamma.

Okay, this is somewhat better.
Who exactly do you think is scum and why do you think the gamestate is the way it is?

[Purple Heart]

I really don't care for 1 scum in {2 people} and 1 scum in {Another 2 people} I want you to present me a team and why you think that is the team.

[Purple Heart]

Yo Infinity, how do you feel about Gamma?

[Infinity 324]

I got a few townvibes from him but idk. I’m not really sure how to read gamma.

[Uncrowned]

I think Infinity is playing a rather calculated game and I don't really see why he's TRing me? I think he's handing out reads a little too easily. Trajectories don't make sense to me.

Between Flea/Gamma I'll need to reread. Both gave me active lurk vibes which I generally don't like.

I don't really have an answer about gamestate, outside of people trying to sell themselves as Town more than they do usually, but I believe that's a by-product of the setup and that it's probably not AI as both town and scum would be equally invested into getting onto the council.

[Uncrowned]

Not to be rude but I don't operate like that in 9 player games. Team talk at this point is redundant imo. I look for who is most scummy and that's it.

[Uncrowned]

Out of interest, do you dislike reads list that have 1 more scumlean in them than what is possible in the setup?

[Purple Heart]

I have a proposition for you.

Gamma may not be anything special, but I actually have a lot of respect for him.
I think if he is scum, I believe one of 2 things will happen
- He will attempt to play me like a fiddle and enable me to just go kaboom
- I will read him correctly and we kill him.

If he's town, I believe we will both be able to identify each other as long as we have a mediator.

Taly isn't 100% on board, but from what I've seen so far of Gamma, I think he looks fine?
Do you think that maybe we should try to push for a council between you me and gamma?
tbh, I feel like I'm going to need the hood of noraa is actually town because the last few times I've played mafia I just had mafia deathtunnel me for the whole fucking game which results in me continuing to self-destruct. I need someone to mediate me and Taly is doing his best, but we're the same slot, and having an outside perspective is really good.

[Purple Heart]

Like I'm not sure on committing to this yet.
Taly really wants to talk to Gamma and I feel like its inappropriate to commit to this when he isn't ready to.
but think about it.

[Purple Heart]

plus I need the hood.
I can't deal with noraa all game if she's just going to deathtunnel me and she's actually town.

[Purple Heart]

I think Infinity is playing a rather calculated game and I don't really see why he's TRing me? I think he's handing out reads a little too easily. Trajectories don't make sense to me.

Between Flea/Gamma I'll need to reread. Both gave me active lurk vibes which I generally don't like.

I don't really have an answer about gamestate, outside of people trying to sell themselves as Town more than they do usually, but I believe that's a by-product of the setup and that it's probably not AI as both town and scum would be equally invested into getting onto the council.

Why is Infinity trying to break up the fight between me and noraa? It may be calculated but why would he do that? How does it benefit him? And what's his gameplan? Who do you think he's going to want to vote if he's scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi me and Taly are the new koba

welp
I have bad memories with this hydra (not that I hold it against them). thank god for ONE of the new site rules being a thing

[Purple Heart]

Not to be rude but I don't operate like that in 9 player games. Team talk at this point is redundant imo. I look for who is most scummy and that's it.

Out of interest, do you dislike reads list that have 1 more scumlean in them than what is possible in the setup?

I'm not sure if this addresses your points, but I really feel like from a logical perspective, there is always 2 scum, they know who each other are, and they're going to work together to win the game. The game is a team game, not a solo game. You can't 1v9 games easily. This ain't league of legends.

As you get more flips, you get more hints and clues as to who is manipulating the gamestate (aka, who are the scum). Because there are people out there that are manipulating the gamestate and they're likely working together to do so.

Things happen for a reason. If you're town, you are presented with a puzzle and it is your job to solve it.

[Uncrowned]

Exactly. Who is he going to want to vote? Has there been anything in real SRs from him? Maybe I've missed them but I don't recall any. Just tip-toeing around active players who he all mildly thinks are town to some degree?

Just because he thinks something is TvT doesn't mean much at all if I'm being honest. I've done similar things as scum before. I think the probability of it coming from scum is higher than you think. If your entire TR of him is based on that alone I'm concerned.

[Purple Heart]

Hi me and Taly are the new koba

welp
I have bad memories with this hydra (not that I hold it against them). thank god for ONE of the new site rules being a thing

In our defense
we were in the right to sheep beeboy.

[Gamma Emerald]

that's true
I have no problem with your reads that game but how I was treated

[Purple Heart]

Also I think during 2018 there was something exceptionally going wrong with my mental health and I had to resort to doing THAT.
Now before the site policy, I had to resort to doing THAT with koba actually and I was actually warned and told not to do that.

[Purple Heart]

that's true
I have no problem with your reads that game but how I was treated

This might sound super manipulative because I see myself as a manipulative person (because I hate myself).
But I honestly don't know how the fuck you tolerate me tbh.

[Purple Heart]

Like why do you stick around me dude?
I treated you like that way similarly in FakeGod's game.

[Purple Heart]

I actually realized
have I apologized for how mean I was to you in 2018?
I was so mean to you I'm sorry dude.

[Uncrowned]

Not to be rude but I don't operate like that in 9 player games. Team talk at this point is redundant imo. I look for who is most scummy and that's it.

Out of interest, do you dislike reads list that have 1 more scumlean in them than what is possible in the setup?

I'm not sure if this addresses your points, but I really feel like from a logical perspective, there is always 2 scum, they know who each other are, and they're going to work together to win the game. The game is a team game, not a solo game. You can't 1v9 games easily. This ain't league of legends.

As you get more flips, you get more hints and clues as to who is manipulating the gamestate (aka, who are the scum). Because there are people out there that are manipulating the gamestate and they're likely working together to do so.

Things happen for a reason. If you're town, you are presented with a puzzle and it is your job to solve it.

This is fair.

I don't consider myself a great or even a good scumhunter. I had a stretch of games in late 2019/2020 (when I joined here) where I was decent at catching at least 1 out of 2 scum in most of my games. I think I only played games where there were 2 scum as well.

Much of the reason I haven't or didn't play in many larger games is solely because I don't think I'm good at finding teams unless I'm playing social deduction games in person. I haven't been able to test this theory out entirely yet, but I'd say given my brief experience on site that this is not one of my strong suits. Hence why I try to simplify by looking for who I find independently scummy, and then sorting teams out later if I'm still alive by then.

I see the value in finding teams for sure, but I'm not going to sit here and bullshit and pretend I'm seeing a team here D1 when I'm not. If I actually had a strong read and was sure I was actually seeing a lot of equity between two slots, I'd mention it. But I'm not, and I think it's more harmful to town to come up with reads I don't have faith in myself.

[Purple Heart]

Not to be rude but I don't operate like that in 9 player games. Team talk at this point is redundant imo. I look for who is most scummy and that's it.

Out of interest, do you dislike reads list that have 1 more scumlean in them than what is possible in the setup?

I'm not sure if this addresses your points, but I really feel like from a logical perspective, there is always 2 scum, they know who each other are, and they're going to work together to win the game. The game is a team game, not a solo game. You can't 1v9 games easily. This ain't league of legends.

As you get more flips, you get more hints and clues as to who is manipulating the gamestate (aka, who are the scum). Because there are people out there that are manipulating the gamestate and they're likely working together to do so.

Things happen for a reason. If you're town, you are presented with a puzzle and it is your job to solve it.

This is fair.

I don't consider myself a great or even a good scumhunter. I had a stretch of games in late 2019/2020 (when I joined here) where I was decent at catching at least 1 out of 2 scum in most of my games. I think I only played games where there were 2 scum as well.

Much of the reason I haven't or didn't play in many larger games is solely because I don't think I'm good at finding teams unless I'm playing social deduction games in person. I haven't been able to test this theory out entirely yet, but I'd say given my brief experience on site that this is not one of my strong suits. Hence why I try to simplify by looking for who I find independently scummy, and then sorting teams out later if I'm still alive by then.

I see the value in finding teams for sure, but I'm not going to sit here and bullshit and pretend I'm seeing a team here D1 when I'm not. If I actually had a strong read and was sure I was actually seeing a lot of equity between two slots, I'd mention it. But I'm not, and I think it's more harmful to town to come up with reads I don't have faith in myself.

Micros become progressively more easier the deeper you get into the game. The smaller the game the better.

[Uncrowned]

Oh I agree. I usually get offed N1 or N2 but if games were to go longer, looking at possible teams would be highly valuable. I just don't think I'm all that capable of it D1 without confusing myself or falling into conf!bias, which is definitely a tendency of mine.

[Infinity 324]

I think Infinity is playing a rather calculated game and I don't really see why he's TRing me? I think he's handing out reads a little too easily. Trajectories don't make sense to me.

Between Flea/Gamma I'll need to reread. Both gave me active lurk vibes which I generally don't like.

I don't really have an answer about gamestate, outside of people trying to sell themselves as Town more than they do usually, but I believe that's a by-product of the setup and that it's probably not AI as both town and scum would be equally invested into getting onto the council.

The gist of it is that I think your push on me felt well-motivated, and your questions seem like they’re leading somewhere useful in your head.