Micro 983 | The Council: Student Council Edition! | The End!

[MURDERCAT]

What is?

It's more that the reasoning wasn't clicking for me, it felt off, gut pings, whatever you want to call. Not that I thought Flea's council specifically had scum on it

[Purple Heart]

syntax is a rarely a strong scum tell in my experience

noraa

, what does

flea

accomplish with their tone here? 906

Actually there was one thing I was thinking, let me know if you agree purple. I think I've been given some weird TRs this game

link the posts?

~taly

p-edit

oh shit, I'm sorry

Flea!!

Thank you for correcting me.

[Purple Heart]

noraa talk to me about uncrowned and how you got to the read you currently have on there

his reads are extremely hard to follow and agree with even on like a basic level.

-nornor

How does this make him scum?

Also a lot of his posts are super like .... shady and defensive. Its like "YOU MISREPPED ME THEREFORE I CAN NOW JUST IGNORE UR READS"
if I can't follow along as well, I take it as an indication that he's not thinking from the same perspective as mine.

-kookie

Okay hmmm...
Yeah, Taly thinks Uncrowned is town. I think he's scum.
Like idunno, I see Taly's read and I like, sorta get it? I feel like there are some points where he's been natural.

I'm starting to warm up to him being scum again though.
I agree with you on the shading. The sideline shade with him calling you out for forcing a townbloc is really worrying.

[MURDERCAT]

probably myself, MC, uncrowned.

HEAL: Murdercat - HEAL: Gamma - I am more than happy with this at this time.

probably a town mindset (for MCat specifically)

I don't have a completed scum game in 4 years so I know no one has enough meta on me for this and the person I trust most to read me in this game is null/scum leaning me.

[kookiemonster]

The sideline shade with him calling you out for forcing a townbloc is really worrying.

+1

[Flea The Magician]

My reasoning on MC is he seems to be building solid blocks on information, he isn't letting himself fall into silly reasoning and I believe he would make the right call on the council.

[Purple Heart]

What is?

It's more that the reasoning wasn't clicking for me, it felt off, gut pings, whatever you want to call. Not that I thought Flea's council specifically had scum on it

Then can you go in depth on

Tracy/Gamma

reads?

probably myself, MC, uncrowned.

HEAL: Murdercat - HEAL: Gamma - I am more than happy with this at this time.

probably a town mindset (for MCat specifically)

I don't have a completed scum game in 4 years so I know no one has enough meta on me for this and the person I trust most to read me in this game is null/scum leaning me.

+1

I like this post because these were notes that I wanted them to elabroate on, too.

~taly

p-edit

I can see that 955 but I'm going in depth with

Noraa

metadive, I want to see what he could be seeing there.

[MURDERCAT]

Then can you go in depth on Tracy/Gamma reads?

I will remember to do this this afternoon

[Gamma Emerald]

It's the habit of putting a cute face every time I feel a lil under pressure to make it seem like I'm not actually worried at all and in fact very relaxed. This is no longer a scum tell for me because I have realized it but I do think its very easy for it to be an unnoticeable scum tell for newbies aaaand Flea has used that emoji multiple times while I'm pressuring them and nowhere else :/

For me, it's mr. green ->
For you, its ^_^

Does that seem to be what is legitimately happening?

[Purple Heart]

HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Purple

Gamma get's his heal probably later unless something goes seriously wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

probably myself, MC, uncrowned.

HEAL: Murdercat - HEAL: Gamma - I am more than happy with this at this time.

probably a town mindset (for MCat specifically)

I don't have a completed scum game in 4 years so I know no one has enough meta on me for this and the person I trust most to read me in this game is null/scum leaning me.

Who?

[MURDERCAT]

Infinity

[Purple Heart]

HEAL: Infinity
HEAL: Purple

Gamma get's his heal probably later unless something goes seriously wrong

consensus heal from both heads.

~taly

[Gamma Emerald]

Iirc infinity hasn’t said too much about sussing you
And if he has I’m a little bothered by it.

[MURDERCAT]

Spoiler: infinity on Murder

@murder Hmm, but they’ve been making posts like that all game and you’ve been townreading them for it

When I imagine town!murder, it’s a chipper flareon darting back and forth and digging for scumtells. Here you’re curling up in my lap and wanting to talk about everything but dkkoba.

Infinity who is scum?

I’m not sure anymore. I’m still suspicious of murder and I’m starting to get worried about nora. But I’ll look at this game a bit more tonight.

Why are you suspicious of Murder?

He’s a lot less proactive than when I played with him as town before, and it feels like he’s trying to buddy me (whereas normally when we’re both town, it’s the other way around lol)

Ehh, murder could be town here and just playing more chill. All I need is for the murder I know to come out. I’m confident he will if he’s town.

Murder you still haven’t gone into solvy-flareon mode and that makes me sad.

Yeah I just hate getting into 1v1s, and koba can get on my nerves and I just didn’t feel like continuing that exchange. In terms of pocketing, I like to develop positive interactions with my townreads because it helps town synergy. If it felt like pocketing then *shrug*

My murder read is basically at “I need to see the town!murder I know otherwise I’m scumreading him”. I was able to read him as town really quickly in the couple games we’ve played together, he isn’t always immediately towny to me (spectated a game where I thought he was scum for that reason) so I’m giving him a chance. Some other things that pinged me were buddying early on, and a bit of awkwardness when I discussed my read on him around 379. Not the central reason for my read, but may be more useful to you.

I would say my description holds, but feel free to read yourself, this is most of it.

[Purple Heart]

@Gamma

Where are you at with Flea? That's a slot people doesn't seem to follow my read on.

Ooh and Murdercat, too.

oof i need to avoid walls. more.

~taly

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh I think his mindset isn’t awful. But I also feel like I shouldn’t be ahead of him on TRing you here, because I feel like on some level your mindset is obv town.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma

Where are you at with Flea? That's a slot people doesn't seem to follow my read on.

Ooh and Murdercat, too.

oof i need to avoid walls. more.

~taly

Flea feels a little suspect rn. MCat is solidly town.

[MURDERCAT]

Like can you give an example of me being obv town? Or maybe say more about 653?

[Infinity 324]

Is noraa not trying to hard to look town here? Or is that not a good tell for her

[MURDERCAT]

I think this would be a new development in Noraa's scum game, but I was not in her other scum games I just read them for meta. Death Curse was certainly unique in a few ways.

[Infinity 324]

{Flea the Magician}

u always say u disagree with my read here but then flea shows up at the bottom of ur readslist.

Infinity talk to me about murder!scum.

I’m still just waiting for solvy flareon mode. If it doesn’t come, or it doesn’t come in the way I remember it, murder is scum. In death curse it took until the last scroll pass for me to get a soul read on murder, but it still happened.

[Infinity 324]

I think this would be a new development in Noraa's scum game, but I was not in her other scum games I just read them for meta. Death Curse was certainly unique in a few ways.

I really felt like she was solvy in death curse. Like she was the only one trying to solve the game once she was the last scum I felt. Are the specific posts that make you feel like this?

[Infinity 324]

I'm liking Flea, tbh.
I trust his self-vote for council in 72 because he's not overt in detailing why he should be in the council. This leads me to think his POV is casual and less likely to be manufactured than if pulled to control the game narrative.
203 and 317 are sus' that I think come more from town because he isn't trying to doubtcast the slot itself, but notes why he thinks or feels a certain way about Gamma/OWER/Koba.
His questioning to the hydra was good because despite his view of Koba, he's looking at this hydra in a separate lens, or at least entertaining what this hydra's idea of the games are.
898 doesn't feel like a scum hedge on Noraa/This slot because he seems to be mediating an emotional conflict by not asserting a hard-lined stance around us. Doesn't feel pockety for the same reason.

Good take. I also liked the way flea treated their noraa scumread in their catchup, felt genuine.

[MURDERCAT]

Mostly I think claiming to have a read on Flea based on a tell but holding on to it instead of immediately putting it out there (as I would expect someone doing it for town cred to do) and hard tunneling purple are super town Noraa things. Also FWIW, I'm not going to take my lack of reading Noraa well in Death Curse as a hit to my confidence in my ability to read her because I did have a strong SR on her and the reason I came around was in large part due to a mechanical error that luckily worked out in scum's favor. (Not to take anything away from Noraa for playing well, I do think her AtE was outside of her previous scum meta and it did throw me.)