i don't really recall that from o799, I mostly just recall ben being inactiveIn post 23, Battle Mage wrote:i mean, it's a ben reaction - this is exactly what he did as town in the last game all 3 of us were in together. However it did also help cost town the game, so.In post 20, OutWorldER wrote:random bandwagon early helps solve the guy being wagoned and generates discussion?In post 16, benhalkum wrote:So, three votes on me "randomly" huh? Well, know where to start looking .
Explain why on first bite randomness a bandwagon is a good idea of you're not scumm.
especially helpful since this is a really bad reaction
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Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say. Would you say that the vote was specifically to put pressure on a low-effort player?In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:
Here it is: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12225063In post 24, Battle Mage wrote:what is this about?
Titus was making trolly posts and I voted her to try to make her stop and act helpful. It turns out she was VT (who everyone else was townreading and more familiar with, so she never had to worry) and I was innocent child (which I could reveal at any time, so I never had to worry).- Battle Mage
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Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say.In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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essentially he was inactive but when he did turn up he just OMGUSed everyone who had been wary of him, and we flipped him because of it. collective responsibility though, we all sucked in that game.In post 25, OutWorldER wrote:
i don't really recall that from o799, I mostly just recall ben being inactiveIn post 23, Battle Mage wrote:
i mean, it's a ben reaction - this is exactly what he did as town in the last game all 3 of us were in together. However it did also help cost town the game, so.In post 20, OutWorldER wrote:
random bandwagon early helps solve the guy being wagoned and generates discussion?In post 16, benhalkum wrote:So, three votes on me "randomly" huh? Well, know where to start looking .
Explain why on first bite randomness a bandwagon is a good idea of you're not scumm.
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No disrespect. I'm just going to follow up on the lead, even if you don't think I need to.In post 27, Battle Mage wrote:
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Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say.In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:- Battle Mage
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I'm happy for you to do whatever you choose. But I like to give my 2 cents.In post 29, Rannygazoo wrote:
No disrespect. I'm just going to follow up on the lead, even if you don't think I need to.In post 27, Battle Mage wrote:
charmingIn post 26, Rannygazoo wrote:
Thanks for the analysis. I'm more interested in what OutWorldER has to say.In post 22, Battle Mage wrote:If that's a serious question about gameplay/strategy, the answer is bandwagonning on Day 1 is a good way to get information. For instance:Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I didn't mean to discourage you. Sorry if I gave you that impression.In post 30, Battle Mage wrote:I'm happy for you to do whatever you choose. But I like to give my 2 cents.- Battle Mage
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you think Titus moving her random vote on page 1 is a "trolly maneuver"?In post 14, Rannygazoo wrote:IIRC she did a similar trolly maneuver in Mini Theme 2172Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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All good, we coolIn post 32, Rannygazoo wrote:
I didn't mean to discourage you. Sorry if I gave you that impression.In post 30, Battle Mage wrote:I'm happy for you to do whatever you choose. But I like to give my 2 cents.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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I like us out of RVS asap.In post 31, NoPowerOverMe wrote:So maybe as town Titus likes to reaction vote?
I also didn't like Rannygazoo's vote for weak as fuck reasons, so I voted him and shut up.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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tell me what you didnt like about it?In post 35, Titus wrote:
I like us out of RVS asap.In post 31, NoPowerOverMe wrote:So maybe as town Titus likes to reaction vote?
I also didn't like Rannygazoo's vote for weak as fuck reasons, so I voted him and shut up.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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And this needed saying because?In post 36, Battle Mage wrote:my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.
All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.In post 11, Rannygazoo wrote:Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
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I'm just saying, it made me feel "where have I seen this before" and then "oh no, I'm not falling for that again".In post 33, Battle Mage wrote:
you think Titus moving her random vote on page 1 is a "trolly maneuver"?In post 14, Rannygazoo wrote:IIRC she did a similar trolly maneuver in Mini Theme 2172
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This is really interesting. Ben thinks it's scummy to bandwagon on page 1. Titus thinks it's scummy NOT to.In post 39, Titus wrote:
He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.In post 11, Rannygazoo wrote:Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
VOTE: Non Imh
The way I see it, a random vote on a new wagon is kind of the "default" thing. From scum's perspective, it might be a good thing to do in order to stay unnoticed. But bandwagonning is probably better because it puts pressure on [anyone else but them].
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...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.In post 38, Titus wrote:
And this needed saying because?In post 36, Battle Mage wrote:my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.
All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.
To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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In post 40, Rannygazoo wrote:@Titus: sounds like you have really high standards for RVSShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.In post 42, Battle Mage wrote:
...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.In post 38, Titus wrote:
And this needed saying because?In post 36, Battle Mage wrote:my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.
All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.
To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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you described this quite dramatically as a "vote for weak as fuck reasons".In post 39, Titus wrote:
He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.In post 11, Rannygazoo wrote:Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
VOTE: Non Imh
I'd argue it's a vote which isn't for any reason. Much like other votes, including your own. If I was being generous, I'd say you're making something out of nothing here. A more believable explanation for your vote would have been that you thought he was trying to appear helpful and protown/LAMIST with extra superfluous words which didn't really amount to anything. I actually read his vote to be completely unrelated to the narrative.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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That feels like a lot of words to say that my observation was correct but that you assign my rationale no weight. If that's the case though, why are you voting Ranny?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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Sick of being night killed on day one but ok with making yourself a target?In post 44, Titus wrote:
I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.In post 42, Battle Mage wrote:
...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.In post 38, Titus wrote:
And this needed saying because?In post 36, Battle Mage wrote:my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.
All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.
To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.
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The correct answer, per the BM school of scumhunting is...it depends. Context is key. However, generally I look favourably on those who are very eager and assertive with their votes early, and less favourably on those who are more cautious and avoiding the spotlight. A townie's vote is his most powerful weapon, and a good townie will put it to use.In post 41, Rannygazoo wrote:
This is really interesting. Ben thinks it's scummy to bandwagon on page 1. Titus thinks it's scummy NOT to.In post 39, Titus wrote:
He says this, yet his vote does nothing to further creating associations or motives by not joining any other wagon.In post 11, Rannygazoo wrote:Let’s generate some noise from which we will derive associations or motives
VOTE: Non Imh
The way I see it, a random vote on a new wagon is kind of the "default" thing. From scum's perspective, it might be a good thing to do in order to stay unnoticed. But bandwagonning is probably better because it puts pressure on [anyone else but them].
From town's perspective, there's a lot more freedom in choosing what to do, because I know I'm not going to solve the game on page 1. I just need to see content and hopefully it will make sense in retrospect.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Well, if I am making myself a target, then I am obvtowning.In post 47, benhalkum wrote:
Sick of being night killed on day one but ok with making yourself a target?In post 44, Titus wrote:
I'm in a no bullshit mood and I am sick of getting nightkilled day one and then praying people solve without me.In post 42, Battle Mage wrote:
...what's the reason behind your entrance being a tad on the aggressive side? I've previously known you to be a lot more moderate and composed as town.In post 38, Titus wrote:
And this needed saying because?In post 36, Battle Mage wrote:my initial suggestion would be...it's very early to draw a conclusion one way or another about Titus' alignment in this game, especially based on the 1-game meta cited and given she only has a couple of non-AI posts.
All you're doing is stopping scum from whiteknighting me based on flimsy evidence and exposing themselves.
To actually respond to your point, I didn't stop anyone doing anything, by giving a view on something which had already happened.
I mean, unless you know you're safe at night
However, no one nightkills the class know it all.
So therefore my goal is to be right, vocal and brash. This prevents scum from lynching or killing me. Well if they do, town will know exactly where I stand and can sheep it.ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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