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[petapan]

Peta how would u feel about addressing some of these points

i'll try to get to it but i don't know how useful further back and forth is going to be

[Menalque]

I mean it would be helpful to not getting me executed hopefully

[Menalque]

I really feel that you’re town lmao but I also remember very clearly a game where maria and I spent the whole of EoD1 apologising to each other for voting each other on the logic of “sorry, I think ur town but I /know/ I’m town” only for her to be scum

[Menalque]

Also your 1v1 was very well done in 2033 but much more OTT than how you’ve played it here, but I think you’re aware of those things from your comments in the scum PT there talking about how newbies probably wouldn’t notice but you wouldn’t push it so hard in a non-newbie

So that makes me think you’d be very capable of making this look TvT and frankly your comment about starting a flashwagon instead of just... trying to start a flashwagon feels sort of lowkey LAMIST/protective for tomorrow given you know how I’ll flip

[petapan]

i don't know that i'd play it this way as scum but my concern was that

you're

doing that to me. i think the main problem is yu still suspec lilith slot and dave and i just...have no interest in executing those people

anyway i need to go eat lunch

[Infinity 324]

Pooky, do me a favor and ISO mena around 1652 (after your slot claimed JK on mena after the no kill) and tell me what you think of those posts.

@pooky you don't have to spend too long on it

@pooky or nancy I feel like this is important, mena is +++town for me on play and mechanics are the only reason to SR him

Check out 3856 for hoopla’s reasons for voting peta.

[Menalque]

If S&M vote peta and we don’t get confirmation from Best Bird/S_S that they’ll be around to hammer then I’ll self before I go to sleep

[Smoke and Mirrors]

If S&M vote peta and we don’t get confirmation from Best Bird/S_S that they’ll be around to hammer then I’ll self before I go to sleep

MEEEEEEEEENNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAA

you wouldn't self on me would you? ? ??

[Best Bird]

If S&M vote peta and we don’t get confirmation from Best Bird/S_S that they’ll be around to hammer then I’ll self before I go to sleep

[Menalque]

I’m just saying that if we don’t have the numbers it’s better that you know I’m town for tomo and have 7p lylo not 8p mylo

[Menalque]

And if S_S doesn’t show me selfing would avoid that

He prob will, so it’s prob a moot point, but still

[Menalque]

VOTE: S_S

[Menalque]

I think anyone voting me needs to explain how I’m ever scum except with like, exactly Dave+ maybe S&M or peta at this point

[Something_Smart]

I'm here.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: Menalque

[Menalque]

Like how do I make over 400 posts here defneind myself as scum instead of getting my team to bus the shit out of me? Because if I /do/ successfully defend myself, I’m going down tomorrow, right? Like, look at how much pressure is on me, the only thing that buys scum!me another day is a scumflip

Getting my partners to defend me would be suicide for the scumteam overall because they’d go down after their connections to me once I went down tomorrow. So, I’m only scum here if I’m hard bussing and the effort is to make me look really good. In which case, I have to have persuaded pretty much half the town to NOT vote me here even as scum are ACTIVELY SUPPORTING my death, and I’m good, but I’m not convinced I’m that good

So yeah, unless you think I’m scum with exactly Dave + one of the other people I pressured and who voted me or is leaning me, you need to explain why I suicide the scumteam and lose? Ego isn’t a good enough reason because I will demonstrably make pragmatic sacrifices to win the game even if I don’t /like/ doing them

[Menalque]

If S_S wants to explain that he thinks that and how he can reasonably think that while knowing me, I might reconsider

But right now I think he’s just scum for backing my exe here

[Menalque]

I’m currently thinking maybe S_S/NM/BB aka the initials squad

[Smoke and Mirrors]

S&M has also now survived two nights in a row while being a claimed role, although granted uncrowned and skitt were much more consensus townreads

What roles were they? If as Peta said she was being presumably heavily sr for inactivity then why would scum even want to kill her when they can get an easy misexecute on her?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

so your role is the only explanation for the missing kill

*cough* no kill *cough*

I think we really shouldn’t rule that out as a possibility. It’s possible Mena could have been the target as well. Mena could have been roleblocked scum making the kill, he could have been scum’s target or scum could possibly have no killed. Anyone of these things is possible.

Again, this decision needs to be based off of play. I wouldn’t hypothetically vote out a player who was obvtown by play solely based on being jk’d - jk doesn’t necessarily = roleblock. Iif Mena is scummy by play, then it makes it likely he’s the reason for a no kill. And yes, he made it abundantly clear he wanted us dead pretty much before I’d even made 3 posts but he has been reacessing and sorting us. Had he remained voteparked on us like SK!Alchemist did in Post-Apocalypse, this decision would be a slam dunk for me.

~N

[Smoke and Mirrors]

And if S_S doesn’t show me selfing would avoid that

He prob will, so it’s prob a moot point, but still

How did you get from here to voting SS?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

If S&M vote peta and we don’t get confirmation from Best Bird/S_S that they’ll be around to hammer then I’ll self before I go to sleep

MEEEEEEEEENNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAA

you wouldn't self on me would you? ? ??

+1

You mean to avoid a no execute because that is the only reason to ever do that if you’re town?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

@mod can we please get an updated VC? Thanks.

[Menalque]

S&M has also now survived two nights in a row while being a claimed role, although granted uncrowned and skitt were much more consensus townreads

What roles were they? If as Peta said she was being presumably heavily sr for inactivity then why would scum even want to kill her when they can get an easy misexecute on her?

Uncrowned was N3 vig unclaimed, skitter was UB turned 1s PGO unclaimed

Lilith was /moderately/ scumread not highly

Skitter was loudly scumreading her, i was at points but then briefly locktowned her due to misremembering the timing of her claim on D2, there were i think S_S and at least one other person locking her as town for claim (dunn, I just remembered) so no, she wasn’t “easy” as a target

Like, nancy, you can verify this in my scum meta: I always have a plan on how to win when I’m scum, and that means knowing decently far in advance who is dying and when. Look at my last scumgame, I think we had the order planned out to win by by the end of N1, and it happened pretty much exactly that way. My point being: I’m good at telling who will be an easy exe when scum, i think if you look at my last scumgames fromthe prior year I’ve been wrong once(?) about how misguillotinable someone was and it was a stealth hydra with krazy and kanna in it

I don’t push you here

[Menalque]

And if S_S doesn’t show me selfing would avoid that

He prob will, so it’s prob a moot point, but still

How did you get from here to voting SS?

I decided I’d rather throw my lot in for the person who’s vote on me feels scummiest rather than feel like I have to vote peta bc we’ve been forced into what I do feel is a TvT dichotomy that likely loses the game anyway

And I’d also kind of just rather lose to peta who’s played a really strong scumgame than S_S who’s been so passive

*shrug*

If S&M vote peta and we don’t get confirmation from Best Bird/S_S that they’ll be around to hammer then I’ll self before I go to sleep

MEEEEEEEEENNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAA

you wouldn't self on me would you? ? ??

+1

You mean to avoid a no execute because that is the only reason to ever do that if you’re town?

Also, yes, that is what I meant