Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

[Something_Smart]

Peta, simple question: would you feel worse losing to scum!me or to scum!smart?

This is a dumb argument and you know that.

[Menalque]

@s_s Do you at least see the conflict that’s happening in my head?

I see why it's plausible as coming from town, of course, but it still seems weird and makes more sense as coming from scum than from town.

I still want to trust Menalque and skitter on you, and I have been historically bad at reading you, but I think peta is town and you and Menalque both townread each other, so either I'm wrong about peta, or one of you is wrong about the other, or you're both scum. That's the conflict that's happening in MY head.

Apart from a general feeling of him having well-motivated questions, this felt particularly genuine to me

I don’t particularly see what’s towny abut this
Why would he not just lean towards one of us being scum and being wrong on the other?

[Menalque]

Peta, simple question: would you feel worse losing to scum!me or to scum!smart?

This is a dumb argument and you know that.

Not really seeing how that’s the case pal

[Something_Smart]

What do you think about him not answering my question?

Which one

[Menalque]

Like how do I make over 400 posts here defneind myself as scum instead of getting my team to bus the shit out of me? Because if I /do/ successfully defend myself, I’m going down tomorrow, right? Like, look at how much pressure is on me, the only thing that buys scum!me another day is a scumflip

Getting my partners to defend me would be suicide for the scumteam overall because they’d go down after their connections to me once I went down tomorrow. So, I’m only scum here if I’m hard bussing and the effort is to make me look really good. In which case, I have to have persuaded pretty much half the town to NOT vote me here even as scum are ACTIVELY SUPPORTING my death, and I’m good, but I’m not convinced I’m that good

So yeah, unless you think I’m scum with exactly Dave + one of the other people I pressured and who voted me or is leaning me, you need to explain why I suicide the scumteam and lose? Ego isn’t a good enough reason because I will demonstrably make pragmatic sacrifices to win the game even if I don’t /like/ doing them

If S_S wants to explain that he thinks that and how he can reasonably think that while knowing me, I might reconsider

But right now I think he’s just scum for backing my exe here

Explain how town you ever makes your vote on me in light of all this?

ESPECIALLY after secrets of the anuket topaz

[Infinity 324]

I think he’s town

What do you think about him not answering my question?

Which question? Normally I’m not a big fan of “why would I do this as scum” arguments, because they’re wine and because I may just be lacking the imagination/information to see why a play would be correct.

[Something_Smart]

Not really seeing how that’s the case pal

I mean the goal of the game is to win, not to avoid feeling bad.

You're trying to argue that because I have a minimalist playstyle I'm somehow less deserving of winning.

[Menalque]

S_S, look me in the eye and tell me my alignment is different to what it was in this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83553

[Infinity 324]

I don’t particularly see what’s towny abut this
Why would he not just lean towards one of us being scum and being wrong on the other?

Specifically, the last sentence. Idk what it was but it felt very genuine in a “yeah I could see you as town but I’m in a tough position” sense.

[Menalque]

Not really seeing how that’s the case pal

I mean the goal of the game is to win, not to avoid feeling bad.

You're trying to argue that because I have a minimalist playstyle I'm somehow less deserving of winning.

Yeah, correct, the aim of the goal is to win. In the case where it’s a toss up between two options, I think it’s perfectly reasonable to use other motivations to make your mind up, and for me one of those is “I think I’ve played a much more exciting and energetic game than you” so if you feel bad when you fail to beat the ~easy~ player and feel okay about it if you feel you just got outplayed, why should I point out that I think peta should vote you if he’s genuinely unsure who is scum to make himself feel better?

[Menalque]

I think he’s town

What do you think about him not answering my question?

Which question? Normally I’m not a big fan of “why would I do this as scum” arguments, because they’re wine and because I may just be lacking the imagination/information to see why a play would be correct.

But I’m saying, think about it for yourself? The argument I’m making? Is it wrong? What information could you reasonably be missing that would make it wrong?

[the worst]

vote count 4.16

Menalque (4):

Not_Mafia, davesaz, petapan, Something_Smart

petapan (2):

Infinity 324, Hoopla

Something_Smart (1):

Menalque

Not voting

: Something_Smart, Best Bird, Smoke and Mirrors

Deadline: (expired on 2020-11-26 17:00:00)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

mod notes

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- quack

[Menalque]

I don’t particularly see what’s towny abut this
Why would he not just lean towards one of us being scum and being wrong on the other?

Specifically, the last sentence. Idk what it was but it felt very genuine in a “yeah I could see you as town but I’m in a tough position” sense.

Bruh that looks a lot like him just mirroring your language back at you to try and form /develop anconnection

[Menalque]

hey ducky, i haven’t been toxic at all, are you proud of me?

[Something_Smart]

S_S, look me in the eye and tell me my alignment is different to what it was in this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83553

I don't know where you got the idea in your head that I'm confident on this

[Infinity 324]

I think he’s town

What do you think about him not answering my question?

Which question? Normally I’m not a big fan of “why would I do this as scum” arguments, because they’re wine and because I may just be lacking the imagination/information to see why a play would be correct.

But I’m saying, think about it for yourself? The argument I’m making? Is it wrong? What information could you reasonably be missing that would make it wrong?

When I get home I’ll think about it. I specifically am having a difficult time getting into a scum mindset though, I don’t have any completed scum games in a while.

I’d feel worse about losing to peta than s_s here if it was totally up to me since that meant I was right on peta and doubted myself.

[Menalque]

I do, and I have extensive experience with S_S too and I’m telling you I think he’s scum

[Menalque]

Right from the bottoms of my souuuuul infinity

[Menalque]

My souuuuuuuuuul

[Menalque]

S_S, look me in the eye and tell me my alignment is different to what it was in this game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=83553

I don't know where you got the idea in your head that I'm confident on this

Like how do I make over 400 posts here defneind myself as scum instead of getting my team to bus the shit out of me? Because if I /do/ successfully defend myself, I’m going down tomorrow, right? Like, look at how much pressure is on me, the only thing that buys scum!me another day is a scumflip

Getting my partners to defend me would be suicide for the scumteam overall because they’d go down after their connections to me once I went down tomorrow. So, I’m only scum here if I’m hard bussing and the effort is to make me look really good. In which case, I have to have persuaded pretty much half the town to NOT vote me here even as scum are ACTIVELY SUPPORTING my death, and I’m good, but I’m not convinced I’m that good

So yeah, unless you think I’m scum with exactly Dave + one of the other people I pressured and who voted me or is leaning me, you need to explain why I suicide the scumteam and lose? Ego isn’t a good enough reason because I will demonstrably make pragmatic sacrifices to win the game even if I don’t /like/ doing them

If S_S wants to explain that he thinks that and how he can reasonably think that while knowing me, I might reconsider

But right now I think he’s just scum for backing my exe here

Explain how town you ever makes your vote on me in light of all this?

ESPECIALLY after secrets of the anuket topaz

[Menalque]

Answer the question

How does town!you justify voting me in light of all this

Stop dodging me and answer it

[Something_Smart]

Like how do I make over 400 posts here defneind myself as scum instead of getting my team to bus the shit out of me?

They are not mutually exclusive; also, if the wagon on you went super fast, bussing would be expected.[/quote]

Because if I /do/ successfully defend myself, I’m going down tomorrow, right? Like, look at how much pressure is on me, the only thing that buys scum!me another day is a scumflip

Maybe, but getting rid of peta first is a pretty huge boost to your team.

Getting my partners to defend me would be suicide for the scumteam overall because they’d go down after their connections to me once I went down tomorrow.

Not necessarily, because there will be other people who didn't defend you, and they can switch over if your execution looks inevitable, and they can make the WIFOM argument that they wouldn't be so obvious.

So, I’m only scum here if I’m hard bussing and the effort is to make me look really good. In which case, I have to have persuaded pretty much half the town to NOT vote me here even as scum are ACTIVELY SUPPORTING my death, and I’m good, but I’m not convinced I’m that good

I mean it could be one on you and one off, which you seem to have completely ignored... and even if it is two on, people have a tendency to listen to the loudest voice so it wouldn't exactly shock me if peta's whole wagon is town.

So yeah, unless you think I’m scum with exactly Dave + one of the other people I pressured and who voted me or is leaning me, you need to explain why I suicide the scumteam and lose? Ego isn’t a good enough reason because I will demonstrably make pragmatic sacrifices to win the game even if I don’t /like/ doing them

Because it's not as clear-cut as you make it out to be, and you may well have judged that getting peta exed today is worth one or both of your buddies tying themselves to you because they still have mis-executions available to them.

[Something_Smart]

Happy?

[Menalque]

Not really but you’re gonna have to wait until I’m at my laptop because of how you format your counterarguments

Although I am happy you’ve answered

[Menalque]

Bc now I get to explain how your reasons are made up to look reasonable while not actually being reasonable and we get to kill scum!you for like, the first time ever!