Silent Star 3: Royalty

[Hectic]

VC on this page.

(Dunn/Skitter30/Gypyx/Jessie) is the people I don't have good vibes on.
It's also to some extent concerning overlapping with people not approaching the game in a certain way.

TGP isn't really a

townread

but I initially got bad vibes from, there's a couple of things that seem weird from scum, and my POE hates them, so they get townpoints for that.

This is a really good list, except i townread jessie

Gloria and Jessie im strongest on. Infinity is close to them. and below them, hopkirk + Pooky + Isis + Flea i've all gotten townleans on.

leaving ydrasse, golden, skitts, dunn, and gypx. Ydrasse and Golden i have weak reasoning for. The other three i just don't have an opinion on. I think Gypx's behaviour is sort of weird for scum but ive seen scum do it too. Skitts (along with Isis) in their sort of 1v1 i just have been glossing over after initially disagreeing with what i saw. I'm not confident in my ability to read skitts without associative information. Dunn is playing like he did in forest fire and silent star 1.. which unfortunately i took to be as a scumtell in Forest fire and miselimed him (or tried to anyway). i think I know what to watch out for to learn his alignment

[Flea The Magician]

Flea I'd prefer if you didn't refer to "lynches". It's tolerated for players but not allowed at all for mods so it's awkward when posing questions to the mod. (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85012)

oops! Noted ^_^

[Morning Tweet]

I think jessie freaking out over the "I'm a jester" find is town indictative, it seemed genuine to me. I agree with Flea that it's very unlikely they are jesters, but im inclined to think scum!Jessie has the thought to search back for that post like this:

TGP has shown willingness to dedicate time to the game with a few of the posts and is just being shonky.

it explains gypyx posting the 'catchup time' post and then not catching up. it explains thegoldenparadox dedicating so much of their iso to tying themselves to gypyx. it feels like maybe not the very best way to orchestrate a day one dual jester plan but it definitely feels like a way and it explains all of the oddities of the game to me. i think there is a pretty good chance they are aligned jesters.

the weird "trying to die" thing made me go "Aha!" earlier, at least for a little bit. I think jessie is genuinely setup specing from this which goes along with what i was thinking at the beginning of the game

regarding the jester theory itself, no I don't think they are intentionally trying to die. I agree with Isis that Hectic likely wouldn't use a possibly hated mechanic such as punishing town for eliminating scum.

Jessie, what do you currentl give the odds of there being something related to Golden/Gypx trying to die? I think that Golden and Gypyx's behaviour is really odd, but i don't think suicidal

[Morning Tweet]

i'm going to be honest here that like, this theory is so specific that it kinda weirds me out for how strongly you reacted to/abt it @trq

like uhh, it's one of those things that like i guess it could be a Thing happening but idk you seem really freaked out by the prospects of it somehow unfolding d1 to instant loss and like, i guess it's sort of weird too because i can't gauge well if it's towny or scummy paranoia?

Have you played with jessie before, by any chance? i think it's specific but i dont think the reaction is odd given that we have spent a great deal of time establishing how strange those two's behaviour is and there isn't really a good explanation

[Morning Tweet]

TGP has shown willingness to dedicate time to the game with a few of the posts and is just being shonky.

it explains gypyx posting the 'catchup time' post and then not catching up. it explains thegoldenparadox dedicating so much of their iso to tying themselves to gypyx. it feels like maybe not the very best way to orchestrate a day one dual jester plan but it definitely feels like a way and it explains all of the oddities of the game to me. i think there is a pretty good chance they are aligned jesters.

Ok nvm jessie is just town

yes

okay i've accepted i'm going to be limmed and i ask that y'all give me a chance to look at my reads before hammering me

here is what you should take from my townflip

gypyx is always town here
dunn is probably scum
i'll work on providing a few more reads but i'm ridiculously confident in town gypyx and somewhat confident in scum dunn and i ask that in the second part of d1 upon my flip you get dunn)

i think this is remarkably out of character for town!you

I think this could be biiiig. what makes you say this? I am really sorry if you already said and i just haven't read it

I think Jester paranoia in general is something more likely to come from scum than town

why?

i'm not jester lol
like as much as i'm getting scumread this game, if i wanted to be eliminated d1, it would be incredibly easy for me to just.. get limmed d1 because i have to make real conscious effort in every game against that as both alignments so i could just.. not

I believe you

[Morning Tweet]

hm. still 1000% confident that gypyx is town, but losing confidence in dunnscum. i was going to locktown jessie and then i saw the whole jester thing and now i'm just confused. i'm

vt

, so i have no idea what she's trying to do there.

why'd the jester thing make you dislike jessie? or confused on her anyway

[Flea The Magician]

(I want a super fancy emoji sad face to go here but I can't do fancy drawring like Flea)

[ok I saw this later on but I don't type them in... i use https://kawaiiface.net and just copy paste (◠‿◠✿)]

i'm going to be honest here that like, this theory is so specific that it kinda weirds me out for how strongly you reacted to/abt it @trq

like uhh, it's one of those things that like i guess it could be a Thing happening but idk you seem really freaked out by the prospects of it somehow unfolding d1 to instant loss and like, i guess it's sort of weird too because i can't gauge well if it's towny or scummy paranoia?

Given that in theory EVERYONE LOSES to the jester, it could be either. Honestly, the overall reaction to the TGP wagon seems super questionable to me, convenient vote, convenient hop off, asking for unvotes and justifying with jester play...

Like I don't even need to draw the dot-to-dot for this line. I think TRQ knows something we don't. A double jester play is well weird considering the interactions between the two of them.

i remembered that gypyx had said the jester thing while i was running and i hurried to post while i was still putting it together

nyoooom

so like, on the other hand

hectic said that his favorite role in his gtkas thread was jester. granted it's a while ago and idk how much of that can be taken as like, still true/serious but y'know

I have no clue what gtkas is and apparently I have no access to them

i'll wear a very nice dress i think, like, maybe a pink or something soft? florals may or may not be included

OOOOOO PREEEETTTTTYYY! ★~(◡ω◡✿)

jester-masons seems to be stretching it even for a Hectic game.

Not the biggest stretch in this game so far

*dab*

b) i very rarely see town making a poitn of explaining why they have a bunch of nullreads.

*shuffles over to Death Curse and sweeps it under the rug*

will be back in like 15

uh oh.

Given the royal theme I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 3rd party of some description

Also is there a connection between royal theme and 3rd parties?

Royal weddings are usually something like 2 kingdoms coming together and uniting for GLORIOUS PROSPERITY [and peace].
If I was running something with a royal theme I'd have 2 "neighbourhoods" with shady under the table objectives, some aligned-VTs, and either a 3rd party assassin with a target list or a survivor who'd be aware of the bride/groom/broom(LOL) or at least with some awareness of the setup, add a sprinkle of flavour, boom they're a Court Jester.

Nobody is going to lynch the jester, so I'd go for more the survivalist aspect.

But this is running on my own nuts setup plans [and maybe something i've done before IRL ]

yeah, that's my conclusion i think. {gypyx, infinity, hopkirk} are definitely completely always town. i'm a vt and limbait so it doesn't /particularly/ matter if i get eliminated, although i hope my townflip is informative. i think skitter is the best lim tomorrow based off infinity and isis' posting (the latter who i don't have as locktown but presents fairly good arguments against skitter anyways)

I DEMAND ATTENTION!!! GET BACK HERE AND LOVE MEEEEEEEEEE!!! (┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻

[Flea The Magician]

Given the royal theme I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 3rd party of some description

Also is there a connection between royal theme and 3rd parties?

Royal weddings are usually something like 2 kingdoms coming together and uniting for GLORIOUS PROSPERITY [and peace].
If I was running something with a royal theme I'd have 2 "neighbourhoods" with shady under the table objectives, some aligned-VTs, and either a 3rd party assassin with a target list or a survivor who'd be aware of the bride/groom/broom(LOL) or at least with some awareness of the setup, add a sprinkle of flavour, boom they're a Court Jester.

Nobody is going to lynch the jester, so I'd go for more the survivalist aspect.

But this is running on my own nuts setup plans [and maybe something i've done before IRL ]

Pre-in if someone pinches this btw.

[Flea The Magician]

Given the royal theme I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 3rd party of some description

Also is there a connection between royal theme and 3rd parties?

Royal weddings are usually something like 2 kingdoms coming together and uniting for GLORIOUS PROSPERITY [and peace].
If I was running something with a royal theme I'd have 2 "neighbourhoods" with shady under the table objectives, some aligned-VTs, and either a 3rd party assassin with a target list or a survivor who'd be aware of the bride/groom/broom(LOL) or at least with some awareness of the setup, add a sprinkle of flavour, boom they're a Court Jester.

Nobody is going to lynch the jester, so I'd go for more the survivalist aspect.

But this is running on my own nuts setup plans [and maybe something i've done before IRL ]

Pre-in if someone pinches this btw.

[Flea The Magician]

Given the royal theme I wouldn't be surprised if there's a 3rd party of some description

Also is there a connection between royal theme and 3rd parties?

Chaos brain doing chaos brain things. And I'm not even caffinated (⊙︿⊙✿)

To DIRECTLY answer the question after realising I didnt' and just spewed about my own shenanigans...

Potentially. Court Jester, assassins [elim PlayerX], could even be rival suitors set to disrupt the wedding [survivor/bonus wincon if PlayerY is elim'd], Court Influencer could also be a potential 3rd party later [Make sure PlayerX and PlayerZ form a lovers pair]

[TheGoldenParadox]

hm. still 1000% confident that gypyx is town, but losing confidence in dunnscum. i was going to locktown jessie and then i saw the whole jester thing and now i'm just confused. i'm

vt

, so i have no idea what she's trying to do there.

why'd the jester thing make you dislike jessie? or confused on her anyway

it seemed like an incredibly awkward thing to focus on when an elimination was close, and to me, the beginning felt like an original, genuine thought process but the amount of thought and time jessie tried to spend on it felt overblown and fake. to be completely honest, i suspect jessie is a 3p of some sort.

[TheGoldenParadox]

flea, i know you had questions for me: can you quote them because i kind of glazed over them originally

[Hectic]

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Votecount 1.0.13

[4] TheGoldenParadox:

skitter30, Dunnstral, Ydrasse, Flea The Magician

[4] skitter30:

Isis, Infinity 324, Hopkirk, TheGoldenParadox

[1] Gloria Cleary:

Gypyx

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, team rocket queen, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-29 09:11:15).

Joint Mod ISO

[Hectic]

@Mod Hey handsome, do the damned flip when lynched or together?

Any launched players flip instantly.

Prodded Gypyx.

[Hectic]

TheGoldenParadox tuts at skitter30's attempts at decorating. The visiting empire of Anuriel value decorations VERY highly. Here, move aside. I'll put up some famous paradoxes.

[Flea The Magician]

From #888 and quished down.
What was wrong with my and taylors entry?
Could you break down what flags as good or bad to you in an entry post?
Could you explain your Isis vote in #277
What's a quick rundown of your reads list? We know your townlist, but little else.
Why the defense of gypyx?
Why so keen on Taylor/Dunn?

[TheGoldenParadox]

From #888 and quished down.
What was wrong with my and taylors entry?

Essentially, your entry felt forced. Hopkirk's joking around about sorcery and magic and all was natural, and they gave a review of everyone in the playerlist that gave people an incredibly good talking point to begin with and allowed for interactions in low information stage. You responded to that in a way that seemed nervous and jokey and that I didn't love. taylor's entry was problematic because she essentially "attacked" hopkirk in a way that felt overly aggressive and uncharacteristic for what i've seen of taylor, and it created fluff and continued a conversation that was unproductive and did not allow for real further interactions.

Could you break down what flags as good or bad to you in an entry post?

Honestly, it really depends on the player. Using extreme examples, someone like N_M has the exact same entry post every time, but someone like mastina (from what i've seen) has entry posts that profess genuine reads on every player that has posted so far. For a player I don't know (like you), a townie entry post would be a post that makes good observations, seems genuine, and/or tries to get out of low information stage, while a scummy entry post would be a post that seems forced, excessively random, an attempt to not tie yourself to your own vote, etc.

Could you explain your Isis vote in #277

Yeah, essentially I thought she was overfocusing on ONE specific thing I did instead of looking at content that had been given by people in general, and attacked me for being serious in RVS in a way that I thought was scum-motivated. She expanded and has been posting better lately, so she's nulltown.

What's a quick rundown of your reads list? We know your townlist, but little else.

town: gypyx, infinity, hopkirk
townlean: ydrasse, gloria, morning tweet, pooky
nulltown: jessie, isis
nullscum: flea
scumlean: dunn
scum: skitter

Why the defense of gypyx?

I feel like gypyx gets scumread far too often as town, and is a generally LHF type player, who i didn't want to see limmed because of how obvtown he was to me

Why so keen on Taylor/Dunn?

What little content they have, I've scumread quite a bit (as explained above), but to be totally honest I've reevaluated and they don't have enough content for them to be lockscum. skitter is worse for the reasons that have already been pointed out and like, ISOing her, she doesn't feel town in the way that I think town!her should; I don't really see the town motivation in her posts. also, my scumread on skitter is compounded by [redacted]

[Infinity 324]

Ok, I did want to talk about this cause I’m still not sure on MT. Yes town re-evaluates based on new information, but there didn’t really seem to be any new information that MT was taking into account. Yes town can go back and ISO someone, but it didn’t seem particularly motivated to me. Scum opportunism seemed like a likely reason to re-evaluate there. Yeah personality could be another reason, but my gut is still kinda bothered by it.

why don't I seem motivated to you? (ノ﹏ヽ)

You do seem motivated! It’s just I couldn’t see the motivation to re-ISO TGP at first.

[Infinity 324]

@Scum don’t you dare try to get on the TGP counterwagon now

[TheGoldenParadox]

i mean i think half my wagon is already scum :^p

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like who?

[Morning Tweet]

i mean i think half my wagon is already scum :^p

do you usually have a tendency to scumread those who suspect you, Golden?

town: gypyx, infinity, hopkirk
townlean: ydrasse, gloria, morning tweet, pooky
nulltown: jessie, isis
nullscum: flea
scumlean: dunn
scum: skitter

Your reads directly correspond with your wagon + jessie and i believe isis who are also on your case.

it seemed like an incredibly awkward thing to focus on when an elimination was close, and to me, the beginning felt like an original, genuine thought process but the amount of thought and time jessie tried to spend on it felt overblown and fake. to be completely honest, i suspect jessie is a 3p of some sort.

I don't really think jessies' response to the jester theory seemed faked. 1155 makes perfect sense to me, your/Gypyx's behaviours specifically is what felt strange and the jester theory almost made sense to explain it, but i think with more information it doesn't really make sense. As for skitts, how is she below Dunn in your reads now? -- you mentioned earlier that you lost confidence in Dunn being scum, but why?

[Morning Tweet]

You do seem motivated! It’s just I couldn’t see the motivation to re-ISO TGP at first.

i suppose i just hate to feel like im playing lazy and unfair to people by not reading everything they've said, particularly before voting. thats the best way i can think of to to explain it

[Flea The Magician]

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and rather than ISO Jessie I made a thing to let me generate that rainbow effect... ^_^;

So, some time later, LETS GOOOO.

Spoiler: To prepare the world for devastation... CW:MORE Questionable song choices

hi morning tweet!

hello friends!

i am a vanilla town.

*sniffsniff*

TRQ!

jessie, please, so i don't make the 'trek' sound in my head. queen jessie is also acceptable.

i'm sorry (>﹏<) i'm so prone to missing people and then I feel terrible

also, no need to feel terrible on my account, i am me but also not me, so it is my fault that you missed me not yours.

Team Rocket go blasting of aagaaaaain!
...though the...
...inside myself ...
...the mines...
ADHD is fun!

Staaar TRQ'ing across the universe....

blahblahblah mech.... more mech spec... vote update [which has been useful btw]

@TeamRocketQueen. do you have any reads so far?

i do not. why do you ask?

I don't want to scumread Jessie

it's okay not to, i'm town.

I like this. Complete honestly, no over explaining just "Nah, why?" and respond to sus with "be reyt, I'm town."

I don’t see why. I wasn’t doing much to effort at that time and was actually waiting for someone to ask my thoughts but I finally got tired of waiting. It’s unusual that no one talks to me. In DC, I got questioned by both town and scum after I think one or two posts.

but like, you asked me when i wasn't around and one would generally assume that i would catch up on the last four pages or whatever right?

so:
we're both active > i was involved in setup spec, didn't give reads
time passes
you are active, i am not > you ask me if i have any reads, assumedly because you are looking at my posts and noticing the above > so my thoughts are, hm, why now? why not earlier? like kinda feels like you were searching and i don't really follow how that was meant to get someone to ask your thoughts, as you couldn't have known i was around to do so?

I get asked for reads often when people are struggling to read me [This is the first game I've not been asked, and admittedly I've a VERY limited pool of games]. This seems a little over-defensive and dismissive... Tone seems off in #435 and #444 - and still no reads, maybe the teeeeeeensiest hint of suspicion....

You feel very nullish. What are your reads looking like Jessie?

i do feel nullish to me as well. no particularly strong reads, just some thoughts/feelings. dunnstral wants me to place a vote so i will get on this shortly.

Legit, seems to not want much attention overall and overly concerned about mech... There is something to note though... couple things actually.

Can you point out two things in your iso you think are townish?

interesting question:

i think

do you think it is important how long it was from game going up to game start? do you think it is important that there were immediately four confirms?

@TeamRocketQueen. do you have any reads so far?

i do not. why do you ask?

What is the connection between those two posts?

i was responding to this:

Can you point out two things in your iso you think are townish?

but i lost the quote while fetching the other quotes

Wasn't clear at all where the response was going until Gloria asked for clarification, and for someone remarkably null, these are the posts Jessie deems her towniest. One is legit, one is... o.o

Then we're suddenly diving in to interrogations and honestly I can't work out who we're interrogating?
Gloria and Hoppy<3 VERSUS ???

oh wait...

i meant for the purpose of this exchange. like in my head the setting is an interrogation room, and hopkirk is a detective, and you can be the other detective, if you'd like

like i wanted to see what sort of questions hopkirk would ask/was expecting to be asked because he put emphasis on the real time nature of this:

I'll be back in ~20 mins then can respond in real time to anything you wanted to discuss Skitter30.

i do feel nullish to me as well. no particularly strong reads, just some thoughts/feelings. dunnstral wants me to place a vote so i will get on this shortly.

so i made it clear that i have thoughts/feelings, and also that i've read the thread, to get hopkirk to like, ask me specific things instead of just like 'what are your reads', as i wanted to see what hopkirk thought would be important for me to have an opinion on

but in his absence, i'm also curious about what you are interested in

UHmm.... OK I'm not sure now. We talking about interrogating skitter or Jessie? o.o

Kinda feels like jessie

wants

to be interrogated... Would explain stopping me from entering the ISOSPHERE at the time...

Jessie mostly hasn't towntold yet and has touched on a lot of topics where I'd expect her to have towntold.

curious where you think i should have towntold? i know you know i am aware of the things you've previously townread me for. was this a bait?

Post 711 and still annoyingly neutral >.< Like we're over half way in the game here There's been a wee hint of interaction and a LOT of setup stuff... followed by MORE setup stuffs... and a hint of sarcasm? o.o me no like

pushing hoppy/skittle...

---
This is where things get interesting, at least IMO.

VOTE: thegoldenparadox

Birthday suit vote... because....

i voted because skitter encouraged me to and earlier in the game she had called me out for not voting and i wanted to see how she'd react.

but...

dunnstral wants me to place a vote so i will get on this shortly.

jessie u gonna place a vote?

This is

WEIRD

to me... like weirder than my hyperactive episodes when I fuel them with CAFFFIIIINNNNNEEEEEEE.....
Maybe zoom zoom brain do the zoomy zoomy but why just place it on skitter and call it a reaction test? Also there's around 10 game-relevant posts between the request and vote [Game-relevant - not formatting help or ebwops] 835 confirms a scum read, and reasoning... First thing about it though, and first mention that I can see of a scum read on another player

ok then i don't see why it's town indicative any more than asking a followup because he didn't know that recruiting was a mechanic in that game

so gypyx presents

if pregame things happened > jessie is mafia

pooky says, wait, why

isis references menagerie

gypyx says oh! why recruiting!

like it felt like gypyx wasn't presenting a read to do so but hunting for people having information

I... I don't get it :/


I don't get the fixation on #575 either? like it feels that Jessie's trying to link Skitter and Hoppy but is saying they're both town when we know all town are vanilla town... ~(⊕⌢⊕)~

think it was around here I wanted to try and confirm my reads on a couple of slots... I've managed to confirm a nullscum read... not what I wanted to do I was town leaning before this.


Now we have the unvote in #904 without reason, later revealed to be due to hammer concerns... and I start gettin sus.

ok #926 acknowledge dunn pointed out about posting, I gotta stop getting over excited.

i don't see the benefit of anyone being at e-1. currently i am most suspicious of thegoldenparadox, gloria cleary, and hopkirk. but it's not like a static thing. why would i be confident now when even the person i think is the most likely to be mafia would still almost always be under 50%?

OK so less than 50% chance of a scum read, this bugged me at the time but other things came to mind... like is she reading everyone as town at this point or something ಸ_ಸ

after that mech talk started again.

also my read of gypyx isn't mech talk, it comes from the mech talk

At time time, I assumed I'd missed something - like I'd noted it was irrelevant and I don't recall mentioning gypyx at all. I searched "gyp" in Jessies ISO looking for anything indicative of a read... there's nothing o.o

Then there's the weirdness around 575 and 576 again, and I don't get this...

Jessie is your overall position on skitter null atm?

+town, +partner with hopkirk

Now you’re sus on Skitter? What happened to me being in your PoE?

no i am suspicious of hopkirk, and one of the reasons i can think of for why that post feels so off to me is that it was a coordinated thing

Skitters town and partners with hopkirk... but hopkirk is a bit sus... in a game where all townies are vanilla [by her reckoning and in the pm preview post]

fast forward a bit...

wait someone unvote thegoldenparadox please

pleasepleaseplease

pooky please unvote just believe in me for a second

in real time?

sure if you'd like. i see that you've mentioned me and i haven't yet read last page i just hurried here because i HAD A THOUGHT

NGL you are suspiciously defensive of this slot :/ aren't they still like E-2?

i HAD A THOUGHT it isn't a defensive one of the slot i just need someone to unvote

... ok? want to go in more detail at all? :/

yes when someone unvotes i will do so!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello y'all i'm a jester

okay i think it is like, very possible this ^ is what's happening here

I didn't like this at the time, honestly. Seemed like a cheap save of TGP at this point and we go into 3rd party mechanics... which yeah fair the responses seem genuine but I still don't like it...


EUUUUGH
why are you so null?! WHY CANT I READ YOU?!

This took far too long to do... blegh. over 6 hours of scatter brain lol

[Flea The Magician]

brain is a funky organ, have I mentioned that....