Silent Star 3: Royalty

[team rocket queen]

VC on this page.

At time time, I assumed I'd missed something - like I'd noted it was irrelevant and I don't recall mentioning gypyx at all. I searched "gyp" in Jessies ISO looking for anything indicative of a read... there's nothing o.o

?????

Spoiler:

Why is gypyx town?

+1

@TGP

+3 if you count me and Isis.

isn't this:

Why think about recruiting specifically?

just like a super towny post? would rather here more about why gypyx isn't town from pooky

Why is 413 a townpost jessie?

whole quote for context:

"Like imo it's the opposite, if scum did pregame choices, it's more likely that jessie is scum"

What does this quote mean Gypyx?

If you get to recruit scumpartners pregame and you don't recruit Jesse you're throwing because she's excellent at scum!
I don't know how Gypyx knows this cause I've never seen them play but they must have played somewhere together, clearly.

Why think about recruiting specifically?

because it shows that gypyx was like following from step to step and it asks a very good question for someone unaware of silent star: menagerie

obviously i'm not an expert on silent star games and i haven't played one, but ONLY setup speccing on d1 with literally no information on a game that is known to be complex and have twists and turns without a single read on a player in the game is terrible.

i played in both of the first two. do for my posts what you did for gypyx. do you think i just randomly asked gypyx about the setup on page two? because i didn't. does the rest of my engagement feel random? or irrelevant?

because it shows that gypyx was like following from step to step and it asks a very good question for someone unaware of silent star: menagerie

i'm not sure this is 'town indicative' so much as 'asking a reasonable followup' indicative

but it wasn't really a followup.

pooky asks gypyx about a post > isis responds to pooky with a reference to silent star: menagerie > gypyx asks isis why she jumped to recruiting

pooky asks gypyx about a post > isis responds to pooky with a reference to silent star: menagerie > gypyx asks isis why she jumped to recruiting

maybe i'm just missing the whole thread of this convo but i'm not following your logic here

it feels like something town would jump on there but not mafia to me

[team rocket queen]

?????

there are more but i didn't want to quote the repeating myself

[team rocket queen]

Wrt skitter/hopkirk, I think she meant that skitter is likely town, but if she's scum she's likely a hopkirk partner.

yeah this

[skitter30]

busy weekend, prob won't be around again till late tomorrow night

[Flea The Magician]

blahblahblah mech.... more mech spec... vote update [which has been useful btw]

do you not think that vanilla towns and non-vanilla towns potentially react differently to setup speculation? i don't really get this

Curious why you've pulled this section to comment on.

[Flea The Magician]

blahblahblah mech.... more mech spec... vote update [which has been useful btw]

do you not think that vanilla towns and non-vanilla towns potentially react differently to setup speculation? i don't really get this

Curious why you've pulled this section to comment on.

[team rocket queen]

blahblahblah mech.... more mech spec... vote update [which has been useful btw]

do you not think that vanilla towns and non-vanilla towns potentially react differently to setup speculation? i don't really get this

Curious why you've pulled this section to comment on.

i think maybe it is just frustration. like i like to think about and talk about setups, and i also think it is useful, and there are plenty of people in this game that can attest to my doing so having been useful in the past, so it is frustrating that you make it out to be pointless

[Infinity 324]

I think they're good at scum

If this is true, it doesn't really fit with their play this game? Wine isn't a good explanation here imo. If you think scum!TGP can come up with a good explanation for voting skitter there, they would've done so.

[Flea The Magician]

blahblahblah mech.... more mech spec... vote update [which has been useful btw]

do you not think that vanilla towns and non-vanilla towns potentially react differently to setup speculation? i don't really get this

Curious why you've pulled this section to comment on.

i think maybe it is just frustration. like i like to think about and talk about setups, and i also think it is useful, and there are plenty of people in this game that can attest to my doing so having been useful in the past, so it is frustrating that you make it out to be pointless

You seem to be getting frustrated with me a lot

Mech talk can be helpful, and there will definitely be a time when its useful.
for me, it's nothing really of note for me in building a read until we have more information, which is why I've dismissed it in building/confirming my read on you.

[team rocket queen]

You seem to be getting frustrated with me a lot

Mech talk can be helpful, and there will definitely be a time when its useful.
for me, it's nothing really of note for me in building a read until we have more information, which is why I've dismissed it in building/confirming my read on you.

it isn't with you specifically, or really generally either. it is more frustration with myself for ending up in this situation repeatedly. i am sorry if it comes off the other way. it's just that, like once again here i want to explain why that time was at the beginning of the game. i simply do not understand why it wasn't useful then, but then i am just repeating myself et cetera. it makes sense to me but communicating that feels impossible

[Flea The Magician]

You seem to be getting frustrated with me a lot

Mech talk can be helpful, and there will definitely be a time when its useful.
for me, it's nothing really of note for me in building a read until we have more information, which is why I've dismissed it in building/confirming my read on you.

it isn't with you specifically, or really generally either. it is more frustration with myself for ending up in this situation repeatedly. i am sorry if it comes off the other way. it's just that, like once again here i want to explain why that time was at the beginning of the game. i simply do not understand why it wasn't useful then, but then i am just repeating myself et cetera. it makes sense to me but communicating that feels impossible

Different players operate in different ways.
For me I don't have enough information to begin speculating on mechanics, and when reviewing interactions with more information it's useful and when it's there previously it can be used to weigh reads.

I don't know enough about Hectic or Silent Star games to even begin serious speculation.

Honestly until I've reason to think otherwise I'm running on 3 or 4 scum against 9 or 10 town. All town are vanilla so I've no reason to think there's power roles. Elim mechanic being 2 on D1 suggests something mechanical might happen, until that does I don't see the point in speculating.

[Morning Tweet]

i would be really surprised if Flea is scum

I think this could be biiiig. what makes you say this? I am really sorry if you already said and i just haven't read it

i didn't say it - i am unable to say it at this time because of [redacted]

I see

Spoiler: skitts' reads

i'm townreading the most: mt, jessie, flea, infinity
next tier town reads: ydrasse, pooky, gloria (tbf gloria is like somewhere in between this tier and the tier above it)
null: dunn, gypyx
scumlean: hopkirk, isis
scum: tgp

assorted thoughts on assorted players:

tgp's vote on me, coupled with the loss of their dunn scumread, is p gross and survivalistic imo. their content is not good, and they are reacting to this wagon on them in a way that i think is incongruent with how town!them would

gypyx ... does anyone have experience with him? cuz he's basically prodging and i wanna know if that's ai for him or not

flea is a shining beacon of wholesomeness and towniness

infinity is just obvtown

i think jessie's freakout wrt the jester thing is incredibly unlikely to come from scum, even if i disagree with her thought process

isis i still think her push on me is kinda fake

pedit fair enough but that's not something i can easily argue with u abt so i'm just gonna shrug and accept that you're not reading me right

i like your townreads. Although i guess they are pretty much beacons for the most part. That is also my interpretation of jessie.

I feel like you and Isis' feud has just not been very AI for me, but i feel bad i'm sort of glazing over it. It kinda just seems like you guys talk past each other at this point. "It feels like you aren't actually responding to me", "You're talking at me not to me", etc. etc. if it becomes necessary i will review but rn i put my faith in my beloved (´･ω･`)♡

[Morning Tweet]

Forgot to ask @MT, skitter why is scum less likely to freak out about a jester?

it's not really the act of "freaking out about a jester" itself--

to reword: it's not the freakout about the jester itself, so much as how she went about it - it was very clearly a real thought that entered her head that she was very concerned about and i ... just don't see scum reacting that way to that thought

i see that was skitts' opinion

i feel like when Jessie linked back to the jester claim post and the part where she linked it to their behaviours, it revealed it was something that she had been genuinely been thinking about the whole time. like being able to go back and link what you're thinking about with something in the past shows that it has been on your mind. That's the best way i can think to explain that

I did have a similar response to the idea of Golden/Gypx being suicidal at first, though, so i like that too

[Morning Tweet]

i don't know how to explain it better. it didn't look like it came from scum to me

ya

One line of thought is that scum are more likely than town to read play as "jester-ish" because they know who their team-members are and someone who is acting abnormally scummish is more evident to a scum player than say a town player as a result of this.

I maintain town-lean on Jessie due to other things though I have never played with her as scum before.

isn't that what dunn was saying earlier in 1215?

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: Pooky on Golden

Here is a recent example:

infinity, you're town, right? can i just sheep you? VOTE: skitter

i think infinity is town here.

Like this is super weird?

Why is he voting Skitter here, does he actually think she is scum or scummy? he makes no case for skitter!scum in 1225-1230. Looking through his ISO I don't see any case for skitter being red at all. he only mentions 1 sentence about her and it's:

"i think skitter is the best lim tomorrow based off infinity and isis' posting (the latter who i don't have as locktown but presents fairly good arguments against skitter anyways)"

Like what reasoning does he find impressive? What reason does he have to want to elim her?

Originally he didn't like Dunn and wanted Dunn elim'd but now he's moving to Skitter from Dunn so where is the progression that takes him there? I don't see anything posted in his ISO that really explains how he is getting from Dunn to Skitter as the best elim today. Here's his progression on Dunn which I found implausible to be real:

687 "so VOTE: dunnstral this slot has been fairly bad from the beginning and has not gotten better."

828 "i mean, it really isn't? i've been scumreading your slot from the start, and you have done absolutely nothing to make it townier."

883 "i find it incredibly interesting that i'm attacked for low-effort voting dunn without a significant amount of reasoning but dunn is not attacked for the exact same thing, which makes me incredibly suspicious that at least one of the people using that line of reasoning are simply chainsawing on an easy argument."

1027 "dunn is probably scum
i'll work on providing a few more reads but i'm ridiculously confident in town gypyx and somewhat confident in scum dunn and i ask that in the second part of d1 upon my flip you get dunn)"

1029 "my scumcase on dunn is admittedly less evidence based but there is a strong opening post/gutread on that slot and i ask you take it into consideration"


1226 "still 1000% confident that gypyx is town, but losing confidence in dunnscum." <<<-- I do not understand this transition - what changed between 1029 and 1226 to make dunn go from "flip this guy after I flip green" to "losing confidence in dunnscum let's kill skitter instead?"

Could it be my absurd idiot theory from 1035 ???

I will LOL if we r really in a Dunn/TGP world and dunn told TGP to change tack because distancing is not giving dunn town cred because its being done so transparently badly.

It is getting really hard to deny that something strange is going on. i really don't think jesters are the answer

I think jesters are generally bad game design and also hilariously enough i thought TGP's post where they denied being a jester was genuine earlier

i am not really sure what it is that would explain the weird behaviour, though

[Morning Tweet]

Yeah, I considered that. It just seems like an odd time to try to pocket me, since I was already TRing them and pushing skitter. Like, what were they hoping to gain from home, a better defense? When they know I struggle to articulate my gut?

Yeah, I considered that. It just seems like an odd time to try to pocket me, since I was already TRing them and pushing skitter. Like, what were they hoping to gain from home, a better defense? When they know I struggle to articulate my gut?

I just don’t understand why they ask you for permission to sheep if they honestly changed their read on Skitter, because it reads to me like piggybacking you. Why don’t they just straight up say, on re-evaluation I prefer Skitter to Dunn and just vote her? Why is the “hey Infinity, okay if I sheep you” thing even necessary here?

I don't think it was a pocket attempt if Golden is scum-- i think it's blatantly having difficulty coming up with reasons to suspect skitts (or on someone in general). I don't think it was specific to Infinity, i think it was just by virtue of skitts being the biggest wagon

[Morning Tweet]

TGP's chopping block behaviour has been pretty poor. I increasingly think they just flip scum.

It's scummy to have jerky read progressions and it stays scummy even if you fill in the holes later. Pooky why do you want to wait for TGP to give delayed reasons for why they're voting skitter? Like I'm sure they can think of something now, either way. I've played with TGP before and I think they're good at scum ^^ so I think they could manage that pretty well.

I mean I kind of know the point but I'm trying to think of a response I'd be happy with and I can't really think of one.

Spoiler: Golden notes

1260 - disagree with jessie's reaction being overblown
1266 - Skitts is their highest scumread now
1269 - Calls half of wagon scum, aligns with readslist where bottom half is ther wagon
1305 - Clarifies that Dunn scumread has not disappeared

I agree, Golden has reiterated their reads and clarified misconceptions but didn't *actually* address what was being asked. The thing i'm most curious about is how skitts ended up at the bottom of their reads, since it seemed that Golden originally was just going off of what Infinity said and not their own thoughts. but come around to 1269, skitts is scummier than Dunn

if Pooky is scum, why bother to give golden more chances rather than not? I think you're probably correct with regards to the ship having already sailed on skitts reasoning but continuing to engage with someone even at this point is very much something i could see myself doing

[Morning Tweet]

I often get suspicious when players throw other players lifesaver rings in mafia game but thinking about it I don't know whether that's something scum would do more often than town or why I get suspicious about it.

Ah okay

[Morning Tweet]

Isis hold meeeee i wanna be in your arms alreadyy

[Infinity 324]

UNVOTE: I'm getting the feeling I get when I have a wrong scumread

[Kanna]

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Votecount 1.0.14

[5] TheGoldenParadox:

skitter30, Dunnstral, Ydrasse, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear

[3] skitter30:

Isis, Hopkirk, TheGoldenParadox

[1] Gloria Cleary:

Gypyx

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, team rocket queen, Morning Tweet, Infinity 324

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-29 09:11:15).

Joint Mod ISO

[Gloria Cleary]

i've formally decided to townread pooky

While it absolutely terrifies me post-Hideyoshi, I’m leaning that way too.

I still think TGP is more likely to flip scum than not and I still think Skitter/Isis is TvT.

[Gloria Cleary]

¶

Votecount 1.0.14

[5] TheGoldenParadox:

skitter30, Dunnstral, Ydrasse, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear

[3] skitter30:

Isis, Hopkirk, TheGoldenParadox

[1] Gloria Cleary:

Gypyx

[4] Not Voting:

Gloria Cleary, team rocket queen, Morning Tweet, Infinity 324

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-29 09:11:15).

Joint Mod ISO

@Gypyx any reads yet? Why are you still rvs voteparked on me?

[Gloria Cleary]

What's a quick rundown of your reads list? We know your townlist, but little else.

town: gypyx, infinity, hopkirk
townlean: ydrasse, gloria, morning tweet, pooky
nulltown: jessie, isis
nullscum: flea
scumlean: dunn
scum: skitter

What townie has obvtown Flea as “nullscum”?

They also hasn’t explained any of reads save Gypyx or why they think Skitter isn’t playing to her town meta or whatever?

I think it’s interesting to note that both TGP and Hopkirk switched from Dunn to Skitter. So @Hopkirk, what is your current read on TGP?

[Infinity 324]

UNVOTE: I'm getting the feeling I get when I have a wrong scumread

I looked over skitter’s ISO trying to case her, and all the reasons I was going to give felt like a stretch. That’s why I said this. I’m not feeling great today, and I really don’t have the energy to towncase TGP much less try to start another wagon. So I have no idea what to do. I still think skitter is slightly more likely to flip scum than TGP, but given that skitter is currently being nommed for paragon I guess TGP is a better elim. If a better wagon pops up I’ll vote there, but I’m probably going to save my energy for the second half of the day to re-evaluate some of the slots I haven’t focused on a ton: {hopkirk, dunn, pooky, ydrasse, MT}