Micro 983 | The Council: Student Council Edition! | The End!

[Purple Heart]

I'll explain the doctor in the setup.

The doctor isn't here to save a kill. You cannot ever prove that it stopped a kill UNLESS you not only saved someone, but guessed correctly who to track.
The best use of the doctor is to keep an important player alive. Its not to stop a kill, and even when you are using the doc to try to stop kills, you don't stop kills.
Fun fact, you actually stop more kills by just protecting important players.

I understand this role perfectly and I feel like my rate of succesful night actions where I stopped the kill proves this.

[kookiemonster]

I've recently thought of something that is .... painful af to try to think about cuz it happens to fuck up all my reads.
if the council really had a scum .... why didn't they just have the protect on themselves and then no-kill at night to clear themselves?

[Infinity 324]

Nothing? Except you don't know who gets docced so no killing is bad?

Correct! The difference is nothing.
If scum do not want to give the council information, they may not want to participate, and thus, they can no kill.

If multiple nights pass where no one dies, what do you think that means Infinity?

It means scum are trying to play 7:2 mountainous nightless which is super townsided

PEdit: that relies on convincing the other member, and it's not a clear. But it's possible scum would've done that

[Purple Heart]

I've recently thought of something that is .... painful af to try to think about cuz it happens to fuck up all my reads.
if the council really had a scum .... why didn't they just have the protect on themselves and then no-kill at night to clear themselves?

That doesn't sound like the end of the world.
Ask Pooky about no kills and they can tell you the samething I'm about to tell you.

When someone no kills, they do it to support a claim when they're desperate.

Like legit just ask him, he literally needed to no kill to try to prove his own doctor claim because he was desperate and he lost this game.

It makes very little sense for Alisae to No-Kill on N4 to create a "fake doctor" and then unclaim doctor - scum no-kill out of desperation to create a claim they need - they do not no-kill and then "unclaim" that makes absolutely no sense.

[Purple Heart]

It means scum are trying to play 7:2 mountainous nightless which is super townsided

They might consider that a trade that benefits them if they don't like the council.

[MURDERCAT]

If scum is on the council the choices are
1. No kill and look townie
2. Get something out of killing someone

A single no kill doesn't actually change the game that much for scum because town is likely to no elim at some point to get back to odd. So scum must have decided they got something out of a Flea kill. I think that something is a frame on Purple and possible better optics for tracy.

[MURDERCAT]

Otherwise the Flea kill probably just helps town (compared to no kill) tbh

[Purple Heart]

Don't talk about ongoing games though.
Let it be clear I'm not trying to encourage that.

[MURDERCAT]

I guess the other "get something out of it" is to reduce pressure if it seems like Flea is going to come after you and to be fair to Infinity we should consider that as well

[Purple Heart]

I think the Flea kill is enough that regardless, it will always make me look bad.

[Infinity 324]

I guess the other "get something out of it" is to reduce pressure if it seems like Flea is going to come after you and to be fair to Infinity we should consider that as well

Right. And I don't think flea was actually a likely elim target? Like they seemed town to me, and didn't seem to be under a lot of suspicion. Idk though.

[MURDERCAT]

But like, who would a worse target have been Infinity?

[Infinity 324]

purple

Though I'm wondering why they didn't just kill kookie now tbh

[kookiemonster]

purple

Though I'm wondering why they didn't just kill kookie now tbh

lmfao. I was a UTR and changed to a USR for SRing purple in nearly 2 pages. do you think shading me for not eating a nk is reasonable?

[Infinity 324]

I think you're town but trying to work through stuff. I'm having a hard time seeing...almost any of ali's read progressions from town though.

[Purple Heart]

I'm having a hard time seeing...almost any of ali's read progressions from town though.

honestly
same

[Purple Heart]

im sorry you randed scum bro

[MURDERCAT]

Who is Infinity's partner?

[Purple Heart]

If Infinity is actually scum?
Not Noraa
not you
Everything out seems possible.

[Purple Heart]

everything else*

[kookiemonster]

Infinity is unfortunately probably my next strongest TR right behind Purple :/

[Purple Heart]

Okay that answer sucks and thats mostly just because thats off the top of my head who is not partners with infinity.

Everything else seems possible but it would be lazy to not try to sort out what is most likely and what is least likely

Tracy, Infinity doesn't seem that likely considering Tracy is doing her own thing and it seems like Infinity's read on the slot could change at any moment? Like its possible but its probably the least likely.
Uncrowned Infinity also seems possible from Infinity's POV but not as possible from Uncrowned's POV? If I were to explain it, I feel like Uncrowned is working against Infinity a lot of the time, and while it could be distancing, I'm not sure and I don't know what Uncrowned is doing that suits a scum agenda.
Infinity and Gamma seems possible? I don't really know tbh.

I Just know not Noraa, not Murder.

[Purple Heart]

I'm going to take a break for a bit.
It'll probably be a short break but Taly is apparently writing up some stuff

[MURDERCAT]

Unless you have a good reason Infinity and tracy aren't together I am going to continue to advocate for both my council and yeeting tracy

[Infinity 324]

Ali's read progression on me is bullshit

Most of these quotes I don't even need to explain but I'll talk about some of them

Spoiler:

Infinity 324 - I could actually see myself making an arguement for this slot being any alignment so I might take another look after I sleep. I mostly do agree with koba's comments on the slot when I read them but I can see a town!infinity sorting the slot and coming to the conclusions that they came to. I honestly just need to re-read the slot with a clear mind honestly. That or just sheep whatever conculsion Taly comes to so I don't have to

That’s what gut is for

thats super believable bro.
Totally a 100% natural read that may or may not be agenda based

At least with Infinity he maybe seems like he wants to be right?
That’s like, a point in his favor?
You on the other hand literally do not care.

I do think I’ve been a bit lazy with this game today and I want to re-evaluate a bit. I have only played with town noraa once before, but I keep getting worried since she looks so towny here and normally doesn’t as town lol. I would like alisae to go into depth on a read because he has trouble faking depth as scum iirc.

I actually think her scumread our slot is fine. I don't think anything me and Taly can pump out right away will invalidate her read on koba.

I think the biggest difference between town!noraa and scum!noraa is I feel like scum!noraa will want to paint our slot scummy using whatever means possible and saying I'm overeacting does that. I think to noraa saying that me overeacting is scummy allows her to maintain an ironclad reason to scumread me. If she was town, why would she continue pressing me for overeacting when I told her that I act like this all of the time? This doesn't make sense to me.

Alisae sees a pocket opportunity and takes it.

Infinity truth is, I panic a lot when I get scumread as both alignments I can give you links but tbh I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the two at a point.
atm I have no idea what's going on.

Like in my rant to taly I literally posted this before I started posting again in thread

Yo I actually have no idea what the fuck is happening in this game anymore tbh
Is it infinity who is pushing me for his 503 because that’s not how scum actually act and for every scum player who acts that way a town player can also act that way
Is it noraa for calling my playstyle scummy when she literally replaced into a town slot I was in where I was doing the exact same things?
Is it flea or Overworld for just being non-contributors and letting town kill itself?
Is it that one dude who wrote 420 for TMIing us town?

Like I honestly just have no idea whats going on atm so please be patient for me. As of writing this I think its noraa because calling me scum for overeacting just seems way too unnatural for it to be town.

Trying to appeal to me, e does this in a bunch of other places as well.

Why is Infinity trying to break up the fight between me and noraa? It may be calculated but why would he do that? How does it benefit him? And what's his gameplan? Who do you think he's going to want to vote if he's scum?

Ur right infinity I’m honestly being obnoxious right now

Seems to be hearing my requests to back off, which indicates that I'm town to em.

Then e doesn’t correct me, but immediately pulls out a nuanced read (not impossible from town but still) and flips eir read on me and starts to TR me.

I don't see why either alignment corrects you tbh. If I'm scum, its obviously better for me to not correct you, but if I'm town, I feel like it doesn't matter? Also you were asking me to go in depth on a read.

I can explain me flipping my read on you though, I think the way you approached my slot compared to noraa was a lot better in that while you still seemed like you scumread me at the time, it felt as if your mind was fairly open. I think in general the whole way you approached me and noraa was kinda townie and I feel like the real time interactions with you are good enough to not warrant revisiting the early pages of the game.

Hopefully that helps you out?

Well whatever if I had to pick 1 person to decide the council I’m picking Infinity.

Noraa if you think infinity’s paranoia is fake, what do you think of his reason to be paranoid.

I dont know what the paranoia is supposed to mean atm. His reasons to be paranoid are fair and I could see a townie being paranoid for those exact reasons.

The reason why it gives me pause is because paranoia is a townie thing that I used to love to exaggerate as scum. I dont really do that much anymore but it used to be a scum tell so naturally, I always raise my eyebrows a bit when I see it.

-nornor

It doesn’t feel that exaggerated to me.

Infinity are you scum?

The only reason why I can see you leaving me out of the council is if you want to kill me

Only when I get paranoid on em does e consider that I could be scum. But then decides I'm not a viable push d1:

Fine Infinity.
I’ll stop giving you a hard time.
I think I may have just misunderstood that or something tbh

Like, Infinity I feel like I'm having a hard time believing that Flea is saying I'm flailing in good faith

t also feels like ali’s reads leave em open to pushing whoever e wants later,

my reads aren't as open as you think they are
I can't even turn

you

gamma into viable pushes

lol

You know what
If OutWorldER flips town
I’ll sleep on it Uncrowned

To sort you because I have no idea what you're doing if you're town tbh.
I feel like the wait and see approach is far better then pushing me for "maybe" setting you up as an elim during twilight.

I said "At best, I'm setting up an infinity elimination" because at the start of D2, I could maybe not be interested in eliminating you, I could be interested in something else.
Or you could get shot
Or a ton of different possibilities.

Now e is back to potentially pushing me. Notice that the original reason for this is uncrowned pointing out the pile on to outworlder, but e doesn't bring that up again until the big case.

The fact that you’re so sure I’m scum today after you tried so hard to pocket me yesterday and failed is hilarious.

I mean
idunno
The game makes sense for you to be scum.
Its the only thing I can think of

The confidence doesn't make sense here given the amount of times e's changed eir mind on me this game. The conflict in alisae's head isn't here, it's just opportunism. (Now that I say this, ali will come up with a huge internal conflict in eir head after the fact. Point being, it doesn't make sense that it wasn't there in the first place).

Like I don't see how this is ever town, it just seems like scum who got backed into a corner and is maneuvering out.

I'm good with murder's council and a tracy elim if I can't convince people that I'm town/purple is scum though.