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[Purple Heart]

The koba/purple slot's garbage tracy read:

Spoiler:

Nah this is like 3 of 3 I'm in with Taylor, this is bog standard taylor at this point Pretty sure MCs response is standard too ^_^

by nai i meant not alignment indicative; as in, i have seen taylor swift troll in a similar manner as both alignments.

This is towny. When i see people like take a behavior of someone else and label it NAI its like usually town motivated.

tracy - doesnt seem like a strong scumhunty sort at all. was sus at the start from their early mechposting but the way they reacted to the pressure was town.

u know im not understanding much of what ur sayign but im still getting good vibes from the posts themselves

LOL koba is not this naive

tracy flick - Their interactions with people seem really natural and to me it feels as if they're really trying to figure out the motivations of the other players.

As for

Tracy

, I liked 74 because giving meta without much input is the only non-manipulative or biased way to give the opportunity for reading someone in depth.

Note to look into that more.

I don't think she's given much context to her reads or ideas beyond the mechanical discussion, so I want to know your idea here as well

Flea

.

Honestly Tracy came off to me as someone who was just doing their own thing

Put in tracker requests now I guess

Track Tracy

Put in tracker requests now I guess

Track Tracy

Explained by this beauty:

The way I see Tracy, I wanted you to track her.
My mindset on the slot is I can think of a lot of reasons why she's scum.
- She basically got a free pass and no one really talked about the slot or thought about it.
- Hammer can be a scum hammer.

However, there is somethings I can say that make me feel like Tracy could be town, and this is the most important thing ot me.

From Tracy's POV, I don't think she's really aligned with anyone?
Like she really comes across as just doing her own thing to me.

You know what Murder
I'll throw you a bone.

Noraa, Uncrowned, Murder
Tracy
Gamma, Infinity

Somehow a null read now

Tracy/Gamma

I can agree with the points that

Tracy

has only been active in relation to a few conversations right now, but I'm still not too convinced that the non-guilty was a way to innocent her slot for two reasons:

1)

She wasn't a slot that caught attention and nobody really discussed her hammer throughout Twilight, despite how flippant it seemed.

2)

Very few slots took issue with

Gamma's

council but slots as

Noraa/Uncrowned

weren't convinced of the reads there, if

Gamma/Tracy

were true, what does it serve

Gamma

to try and innocent

Tracy

when the thread's progression is to question counciling him in the first place?

With the plan to track

Tracy

and make the assumption that a non-guilty was planned to innocent her via scum-in-council feels like confbias.

My initial take with

Tracy

being a townlean was that she seemed unconcerned with the POVs that the plist had with her and she was transparent with her thought processes via meta and mechanics. The chart she created, while not so clear, did not feel something I'd seen anybody do before? I'm going ISO map

Tracy

and evaluate her more critically.

And what
are we just murdering tracy based on the logic of murdering OutWorldER?

honestly
seems like the same player to me tbh

like whats the difference?

This is all of the slot's posting on tracy. It's not good. Lim this when tracy flips scum.

Okay what the fuck do you actually expect?
On D1 they didn't post much if at all when I repped in.
Like what?

[Uncrowned]

also I could argue no one outside of kookie cares about scum!gamma concept and uhh I opened D2 talking about scum!Tracy so saying no one cared about mcat thinking Tracy is scum is odd 0.0

like there's definitely a lot of interactions being glossed over

[Infinity 324]

The koba/purple slot's garbage tracy read:

This is all of the slot's posting on tracy. It's not good. Lim this when tracy flips scum.

Okay what the fuck do you actually expect?
On D1 they didn't post much if at all when I repped in.
Like what?

I expected you to not continuously TR her for awful reasons? Like having null reads is ok.

[Purple Heart]

I feel like that's huge misrepresentation of the gamestate.
Why would I have more posts on tracy?
Like, no one really talked about tracy at all during d1.

I could post all of the other player's D1 posting on tracy and also argue "its not good"

[Purple Heart]

The koba/purple slot's garbage tracy read:

This is all of the slot's posting on tracy. It's not good. Lim this when tracy flips scum.

Okay what the fuck do you actually expect?
On D1 they didn't post much if at all when I repped in.
Like what?

I expected you to not continuously TR her for awful reasons? Like having null reads is ok.

Where am I TRing her and for what?

[Purple Heart]

also I could argue no one outside of kookie cares about scum!gamma concept and uhh I opened D2 talking about scum!Tracy so saying no one cared about mcat thinking Tracy is scum is odd 0.0

like there's definitely a lot of interactions being glossed over

You know the weird thing is it seems like a lot of players could go for gamma.

And also honestly I forgot that you opened D2 with scum!tracy but also its hard to care given that was start of the day and its not recent.

[Purple Heart]

like maybe im just delusional

[Purple Heart]

Murder, what's your take on Gamma's progression in the hood? Was there any suspicion amongst you guys in the thread? Because 2/3 of the council entering this dayphase with different reads on each other gives me pause.

Gamma literally posted 3 times to the effect of "sounds good". Infinity and I TRd each other but it was clear there wasn't much to gain from accusing each other in there in my mind. Also my read is in big part due to NKA.

Infinity/Gamma

can you BOTH validate this account?

What is difficult to read? I can probably make a summary translating Alisae, we discussed the case in the PT a good bit.

Infinity looks scummy sometimes but then he looks towny others. difficult to read.

Then look at the interactions around

Infinity

. These are a few things that contributed my read to the slot when

OWER

townflipped;

1)

1109 Paranoia EoD was directed at half of the plist even though he kept with the

OWER

vote. 1313

2)

Infinity

placated the 1v1 between you and

Alisae

when we replaced in 511 578 593, but has recently changed his reads to T/S or even S/S provided that a scumread he compromises on

(Tracy)

is plausible. 1839 1849 1916

(The change from 1583 EoD1 of that slot being potential town to now also pings me.)

3)

Murder

was in his council but

Infinity

, while seeming to work with him a lot here 1718 1768 1778 1810 etc..., is not forming council involving

Murder

. 1906 This is a very weak point and the most recent one, maybe this is confbias, but it's something that vexes me specifically. I don't know what my other head thinks here.

Overall, I get the impression that he's positioning himself to have a valid reason to target the lower players in his readslist after D2.

Infinity

is welcome to argue these points, I just want you

Kookie

, to elaborate on your readslist because both heads have a solve with us as a TvT.

This is a nitpick, why are you isolating my reasons behind a read on you instead of looking at the full picture? The context behind the post emphasized why I felt this reason was valid.

What about the context behind it made that different?

My biggest pull on this slot is that they deflated the Noraa/PH 1v1 at a time where nobody else introduced this idea 573 598 715 767 and went even further to inquiry about this take to people they scumread and townread. 571 675 and 696.

My take on your progression here was around the fact that it was a unique reply to the 1v1 as nobody else had considered it TvT at the time. I agree that it was one of my weaker reasons to townread you, but my issue is that you didn't look at the rest of the sentence when you commented on it.

That makes me think you

searched

for reasons to doubtcast my intentions in 1366.

I was MIA around post 1400 which was the majority of Twilight. If you're referring to EoD, I wasn't present to gatekeep Alisae... also, that's not my primary interest as a head playing with them. I take all of their thoughts with good faith because they're the most trustworthy source to me in this game.

I guess? I just feel like alisae was being super manipulative for all of d1 (especially with the “leaving me to die” shit) and letting alisae do that while saying this felt contradictory.

They actively try to control a game unless they're disengaged in my experience, it doesn't register as AI to me off principle. For game's health, I will work to relieve tension more.

1) I thought this was clear... I was directing this to Flea but referenced the playerlist in the italicized, here...

Sorry about that, I missed the context of this I think.

Tbh I don’t think all of your posts are incredibly scummy, but I think ali is very scummy, and I thought koba was scummy, so that’s good enough for me.

I pointed out 1366 because I thought it was a scummy post, and I didn’t think going into a whole case would be useful? Also not sure what you mean by “the council heals you disagree with”, since I think gamma is town and I know I am.

The bolded feels icky to me because you don't seem to be evaluating my posts unless it suits your read based on

Ali

or on

Koba

, and that's an easy angle to push without having to explain yourself.

I'm not asking for a huge wall debunking or 1v1ing

Alisae

on their case 1781 but you're not addressing it even though you targeted their read progression and this was a big shift to it. 1849

I feel like tracy can be a compromise for both for you today
I do need to read the last like 5 pages in depth though

This slot was in your D2 entry PoE and your

Gamma/Tracy

duo is based around the idea that scum existed within the council.

Why diffuse

Infinity/PH

here?

Can you quote a post or two, not sure I follow

like gamma was fairly inactive and then it felt like he saw an opportunity to me, not sure what you want me to quote

Seriously how the FUCK can y'all call me inactive when I have like 120 posts!??!?!@?!?!?!?!?!!?!? IT KINDA PISSES ME OFFFF

I understand the frustration but this isn't productive. What is your solve and why

Uncrowned

in the council?

I skimmed up. bunch of useless shit imo reading up.
anyways.
I will be fucking mad if gamma is on council again. They've been nowhere near towny and anyone TRing needs to stfu and take a moment to think.

WHY TF WAS HE EVEN ON COUNCIL YESTERDAY?

HE WAS SCUMMY AF AND U SCUMBUCKETS JUST LET HIM BE.

If it happens again and gamma gets last minute put on council, I'm gonna be on caps lock every post tomorrow.

Perhaps I overlooked it or it was before

Kookie

as a hydra appeared but I didn't see this much issue taken to

Gamma

council D1.

Also,

"scumbuckets"

isn't helping me see your reads

Noraa

, could you elabroate?

I get the impression that

Infinity/Murder/You

are having difficulty navigating the gamestate but you've each presented some form of a solve.

(Reference to 1865 1978)

Where is the disconnect?

~Taly

p-edit

ooo, people are finally posting

yall im going to so ISO maps on

Tracy

alongside

Murder/Gamma

and I had one on

Flea

I'll post soon.

furthermore, im going to be working on ISO groups, one with

Murder/Uncrowned/Noraa

and

Tracy/Infinity/Gamma

to hone in on reads and make sure im not missing anything

i like

ali's

council votes though

and this pedit serves as encouragement to focus on the council before we evaluate a lim. that will make a tangible PoE for us to discuss lims.

2016, I don't follow your take, you're mainly just requoting mine and

Ali's

posts.

[Infinity 324]

I could post all of the other player's D1 posting on tracy and also argue "its not good"

No one else is making excuses to TR her/not lim her. And it was koba too which is the weirdest part.

PEdit: I saw that and will respond tomorrow probably

[Purple Heart]

I could post all of the other player's D1 posting on tracy and also argue "its not good"

No one else is making excuses to TR her/not lim her. And it was koba too which is the weirdest part.

PEdit: I saw that and will respond tomorrow probably

Why would I want to kill her over you

[Purple Heart]

Why would I EVER
kill Tracy when you are voting her and you seem okay with the kill

[Purple Heart]

Like she's null she needs to post more
but you're fucking scum and you need to die.

[Purple Heart]

I could gamble on tracy
OR
I could just kill you and get a scum flip

that sounds better to me

[Purple Heart]

PEdit: I saw that and will respond tomorrow probably

then

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~taly

[Uncrowned]

so I read the case but im on mobile so my response won't be as detailed as I like

the main flaw I see with it is what benefit is scum!infinity ever gonna get out of trying to break up your conflict with Kookie? it doesn't add up to me. he was already mostly TR and could've easily just coasted into council and not bothered at all with taking a stance on you two. in fact taking a stance on you two limited his options in where to push later on, which i dont think is something scum would care/want to do.

then the part of the case about bad read trajectory is eh considering half this lobby has had terrible trajectories anyway and I think ones from gamma/Tracy look far worse than anything infinity has done.

also what do you mean by "blue" "red" "black" player etc. am I missing something there?

[Purple Heart]

PEdit: I saw that and will respond tomorrow probably

then

, you

r punish

ment fo

r tardin

ess is kit

ty gifs!!!

~taly

kill me

[Uncrowned]

like everyone's reasons for TRing gamma in particular were just... no offense kinda trash imo? He was playing such a null game D1 which lead to everyone just handing him TRs for... reasons? "the vibe"? idk.

there's definitely been a metric fucktonne of bad trajectory reads this game

[Purple Heart]

so I read the case but im on mobile so my response won't be as detailed as I like

the main flaw I see with it is what benefit is scum!infinity ever gonna get out of trying to break up your conflict with Kookie? it doesn't add up to me. he was already mostly TR and could've easily just coasted into council and not bothered at all with taking a stance on you two. in fact taking a stance on you two limited his options in where to push later on, which i dont think is something scum would care/want to do.

then the part of the case about bad read trajectory is eh considering half this lobby has had terrible trajectories anyway and I think ones from gamma/Tracy look far worse than anything infinity has done.

also what do you mean by "blue" "red" "black" player etc. am I missing something there?

Read the required reading to get the colors.

As for this, the best answer I can give you is towncred and to set himself into position to try to drive the agenda, control the narrative. It's not about coasting into council. Also I don't think him taking a stance on us limits his options, I think throughout the whole game he had opposite reads on me and noraa. As long as he kept up having these opposite reads, he can kinda just do whatever he wants.
Let me link you a game where I was scum, defused a TvT that I didn't need to defuse, and asked you why you think I did that and why you think it was a good play? Another answer to "why does scum defuse a TvT" can be that they just feel like it.

This is the game
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=73827
In this fight Sakura and Beeboy go at each others throats and I try to defuse it. Why do you think I wanted to defuse it?

[Purple Heart]

kill me

~taly

[Purple Heart]

btw for teh record I won that game.
also Uncrowned, can you vote for a council?

[Purple Heart]

kill me

~taly

that guy is fucking dead holy shit

[Purple Heart]

kill me

~taly

that guy is fucking dead holy shit

i told you, you want results

im your hydra partner

or did i actually tell you i forgot

~taly

[Purple Heart]

kill me

~taly

that guy is fucking dead holy shit

i told you, you want results

im your hydra partner

or did i actually tell you i forgot

~taly

any truers?

[Uncrowned]

I obviously understand the benefit of scum breaking up TvT. I try to look at things from a probability perspective though. Sure, he CAN break it up for towncred, but WOULD he be more likely to do it or not? I'm opting for not. I just don't think it's worth the trouble.

I just really don't get how you can be screaming for scum infinity right now and not have anything against Tracy? I'll probably need to reread your case on him a few times but I do not see the world where infinity is looking more scum than Tracy right now

[Uncrowned]

and no im not voting for council because I dont have a third

it would've been you or infinity but now that you're looking like TvS I'd rather not do either. plus you have high partner equity atm with Tracy who has overtaken gamma as my main SR

mcat is probably the safe option although the way they started this day pinged me badly