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[Shoshin]

You seemed very confident towards Dat in your ability to have right reads but this doesn't seem confident to me at all? Why even make those statements to him? You kept claiming how your reads are awesome and that made it valid for you to be trusted and in terms not voted, but yet your own defense is meta and even at L-2 you're not willing to commit if scum are pushing you.

I think degree of certainty is a large part of developing accurate reads because you need to be able to reevaluate weak reads. I don't currently have lots of certainty about any reads, especially since two players who I most feel confident reading are completely absent. As soon as I start getting more solid reads on players I know well, it's easier to solve the rest of the game. I also need to look at how my wagon develops over time, in response to new information.

[Shoshin]

Please show me that the claims you made to Dat are true and not merely something that you put up on the spot because you're increasingly nervous about the presentation of your posts, not the content

This statement is laughable.

[Shoshin]

I actually facepalmed at this

You're going to facepalm when you reread & realize you're mistaking me for Nora. Again, I didn't scumread anyone for voting me. I scumread Gamma for supporting an RVS vote on me, but I dropped that when his explanation re: gumption made sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think I wanna lim shoshin rn

[DeasVail]

I'm not really feeling Shoshin as mafia right now.

I think it's incredibly low-value for Shoshin to do a "DV will save me!" plea as scum because I as annoyed town could easily say "uh I played with Shoshin once what's she talking about?"

Somewhat ironically my discomfort with the Shoshin wagon and my (probable) townread on Shoshin has nothing to do with Shoshin's meta. I just don't think she is mafia.

[Shoshin]

Why did you say this when from what I can see you never stopped having a scumread on him

I said I found his vote on Nora scummy, and he never answered my inquiry on that topic. I didn't say I scumread ABR as a whole -- I'm still working on this read. That said, even if I scumread him, I'm going to constantly consider whether I'm wrong. This is how you get better reads -- being willing to reevaluate and admit you were wrong before.

[DeasVail]

I haven't read all of unwnd's posts properly but I get a very "misdirected town" vibe

[Shoshin]

All the things they suspect me of, DV, was stuff that people suspected me of in Errant's game a while back, so I was hoping you'd remember some of that.

[Shoshin]

I haven't read all of unwnd's posts properly but I get a very "misdirected town" vibe

I agree on this.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not really feeling Shoshin as mafia right now.

I think it's incredibly low-value for Shoshin to do a "DV will save me!" plea as scum because I as annoyed town could easily say "uh I played with Shoshin once what's she talking about?"

Somewhat ironically my discomfort with the Shoshin wagon and my (probable) townread on Shoshin has nothing to do with Shoshin's meta. I just don't think she is mafia.

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[Gamma Emerald]

I think I'm good adding DV and shoshin to the D1 townblock

[DeasVail]

ah, that wouldn't be a reason for me to townread you though imo

Your play here is actually a bit different from what I remember of you from that game. I also think I remember hardcore thinking you were mafia only to change my mind before the end?

(@Shoshin)

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Also I think noraa needs to be considered as a candidate for mafia, though I need to do a reread to confirm.

ABR and VP are also making me nervous.

[unwnd]

I don't have any established townblock yet and I think making them this early is dangerous

Shoshin, in a hypothetical scenario that scum were merely on your wagon because the narrative driven thus far has lead them to think it's an easy wagon, who would be scum? Who are the people on your wagon (or have reasons) to be there are the most suspect?

[DeasVail]

I think I'm good adding DV and shoshin to the D1 townblock

This is such a misfits townblock, I love it.

[DeasVail]

I don't have any established townblock yet and I think making them this early is dangerous

No need to worry, the word "townblock" is almost always an exaggeration

[Shoshin]

Your play here is actually a bit different from what I remember of you from that game. I also think I remember hardcore thinking you were mafia only to change my mind before the end?

You were one of the few players to town me most of the game. The scum went after me intensely, though, and we luckily were able to lynch them instead of me. It was a fun game, one of my first on the site so it really stuck with me.

[unwnd]

ah, that wouldn't be a reason for me to townread you though imo

Your play here is actually a bit different from what I remember of you from that game. I also think I remember hardcore thinking you were mafia only to change my mind before the end?

(@Shoshin)

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Also I think noraa needs to be considered as a candidate for mafia, though I need to do a reread to confirm.

ABR and VP are also making me nervous.

Spoiler:

I want you to know that I don't disagree and there's a reason I didn't hop on

[Gamma Emerald]

I specifically stated D1 townblock because it's essentially my anti-lim pool for D1

[Shoshin]

ah, that wouldn't be a reason for me to townread you though imo

And yes. I don't want people to town read me based on meta, I want them to stop calling my typical behaviors scummy when they're just my way of playing.

[DeasVail]

I think I'm good adding DV and shoshin to the D1 townblock

This is such a misfits townblock, I love it.

I just noticed that noraa is in the townblock and noraa is like the prom queen.

I don't want to even go to the prom!

[Shoshin]

Shoshin, in a hypothetical scenario that scum were merely on your wagon because the narrative driven thus far has lead them to think it's an easy wagon, who would be scum? Who are the people on your wagon (or have reasons) to be there are the most suspect?

I think the best way to sort players on my wagon is to see how they respond when I address their concerns. This has worked very well in the past for me, so I still don't want to commit any reads yet. That said, I already mentioned that Datisi was likely town frustrated at my silence. I also hinted that I'm suspicious of VPB/ABR for continuing to vote me despite the meta evidence. These are weak reads, & as I said, I'm still sorting. I'm not at the point where I'm ready to push one of them yet -- and you'll know when I feel like I've caught scum (and that moment will come, don't worry).

[Gamma Emerald]

Cakez can you stop voting Shoshin pls
don't you SR ABR, actually? Why are you letting him lead you?

[unwnd]

I don't believing in rushing days, my incessant walls and means of diplomacy was to only get you to start thinking about your own behavior and why some people would consider it scummy. I think ABR thinks different and believes that you shouldn't give people a chance, but I don't because even in the event of you being scum you're just gonna die with no other leads. Fortunately for you I don't think your wagon is just town sniffing out the scum early, I think there's probably one or two. My process has been determining how I feel about you and the equity of if (you) being scum that there were partners saving face or bussing. Right now I'm not 100% about that.

[Shoshin]

I know some people consider my behavior scummy from past experience. Those people are wrong.

[unwnd]

Votecount 1.2

Datisi (1) : midwaybear

Iconeum (0)

Gamma Emerald (1) : unwnd

VP Baltar (1) : Noraa

petapan (0)

unwnd (1) : petapan

Shoshin (5) : Albert B. Rampage ; VP Baltar ; SirCakez ; Datisi ; Innocentvillager

Exe-2

SirCakez (0) :

DeasVail (0)

midwaybear (0)

Noraa (0) :

Albert B. Rampage (1) : Gamma Emerald

innocentvillager (0) :

Not Voting (3) : Iconeum ; Shoshin ; DeasVail

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to throw someone into a huge fucking pit, Deadline ends in (expired on 2020-12-05 10:59:51)

In terms of people voting now, I got gut town vibes from Cakez. Liked Dat's early stuff. No opinion of innocent. Concerned about VP more than ABR.