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[TheGoldenParadox]

Vote Count 2.3

With 11 votes in play, it takes 6 to eliminate.

OutWorldER

(2): Rannygazoo, superbowl9

superbowl9

(1): Titus

Flavor Leaf

(1): NoPowerOverMe

Not Voting

(7): Flavor Leaf, Non lmh, OutWorldER, Alchemist21, Battle Mage, wiyvern, hessian

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-12-08 11:55:42).

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[OutWorldER]

time for 10 am tiredposting

leanscum on NPOM and Superbowl9. Both seem to be putting forth incredibly little effort to the game, their reads and votes (what few they've put forth) are incredibly lazy.

FL probably town. I don't think scum outright locktown's such a controversial move and I see no reason for him to pocket me. Same logic for Titus.

Want to hear more from Alch, but what little they've posted seems towny.

@Titus

have your opinions on NPOM changed from yesterday? I agree with your take on SB9 but I actually feel worse about NPOM due to the fact that he's just kind of ignoring me and the main topic of discussion to push FL. Gives me bad vibes.

[OutWorldER]

@Ranny

I want to get into your head-space a little bit. Why do you feel perceived inconsistency in reads and other such topics (I say perceived because you obviously don't have access to my own thought processes) is scum indicative?

[OutWorldER]

if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.

Why do you think that?

he was super bombastic and confident on Day 1. I don't think he's the type to go balls-out like that, unless he was confident his team would carry the victory.

Where do you get this impression of me? In Open 799 (the game we played together) I was also rather confident in my reads/solve though I will agree I wasn't as explosive as I was at D1 EoD this game.

[OutWorldER]

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think this is a good place to park for the time being.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm going against the standard grain of thought so I a must be scum! Good thinking!

[NoPowerOverMe]

Because you know, how things went down D1 worked so well for us.

[Rannygazoo]

VOTE: nopoweroverme for taunting town

[NoPowerOverMe]

Good reasoning again. Don't put yourself out.

[Battle Mage]

here comes a curveball:

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[OutWorldER]

I'm going against the standard grain of thought so I a must be scum! Good thinking!

There's a rather large difference between "going against the grain" and "completely ignoring topics of discussion" and also "putting forth minimal effort to read the game or other players"

[NoPowerOverMe]

I don't find them relevent so I don't feel the need to comment.

[OutWorldER]

Also it should go without saying but that reaction is awful, especially for just a single vote.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm not scumhunting.

[Battle Mage]

I don't love Outworld on this page.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think this is a good place to park

for the time being

.

that's the sort of non-committal phrasing which i see from scum more than town. Makes the vote seem un-serious, and town shouldn't want their votes to seem un-serious, but scum might if they don't want to ruffle feathers.

if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.

Why do you think that?

he was super bombastic and confident on Day 1. I don't think he's the type to go balls-out like that, unless he was confident his team would carry the victory.

Where do you get this impression of me? In Open 799 (the game we played together) I was also rather confident in my reads/solve though I will agree I wasn't as explosive as I was at D1 EoD this game.

I feel like you answered your own question here - you agree you played differently, so why ask something so inane as "where do you get this impression of me?" when you know we have only shared 1 game together and i've already said that's the basis of my assessment. It's a question for the sake of asking a question - more of a scum posturing move than town move.

@Ranny

I want to get into your head-space a little bit. Why do you feel perceived inconsistency in reads and other such topics (I say perceived because you obviously don't have access to my own thought processes) is scum indicative?

question to Ranny, which basically amounts to "you are voting for me, please stop that".

time for 10 am tiredposting

leanscum on NPOM and Superbowl9. Both seem to be putting forth incredibly little effort to the game, their reads and votes (what few they've put forth) are incredibly lazy.

FL probably town. I don't think scum outright locktown's such a controversial move and I see no reason for him to pocket me. Same logic for Titus.

Want to hear more from Alch, but what little they've posted seems towny.

@Titus

have your opinions on NPOM changed from yesterday? I agree with your take on SB9 but I actually feel worse about NPOM due to the fact that he's just kind of ignoring me and the main topic of discussion to push FL. Gives me bad vibes.

question to Titus which basically amounts to "please help me wagon NPOM". Also, I definitely fall in the low-effort camp, but he singles out NPOM and Superbowl only. I'm sure there are others too. Low effort doesn't mean scum though, especially in this game where scum appears to be off to a good start.

[NoPowerOverMe]

You were the one that lolhammered Ben, let's not forget.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I find OWER's defense of FL interesting.

[Battle Mage]

perhaps im just a little bitter that nobody followed me onto NPOM yesterday, and suddenly now after flipping 2 power-roles, others are catching on

[Battle Mage]

Titus - my reflection on your Superbowl analysis below is... it's arguably lining up elims, but it's also fairly understandable. If someone lolhammers town, they should be the first person looked at the following day. Knowing Superbowl, I don't read so much into the "policy" stuff, as he is prone to hyperbole and being a little over-zealous at times. Not enough for a vote from me.

Spoiler: Quotes

Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon? Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town imo

Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon?

Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town

imo

None of the above.

Indifferent.

Indifferent people don't self vote at L-2

pedit: welp

Can we policy that tomorrow it needs to be punished from either alignment

(unless ben's scum in which case they escape with a warning)

Battle Mage is here too he knows.

but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.

Nope please do not minimize your quickhammer. The bad thing about them is that they mess up the normal flow of games/wagons and cut off our discussion time, which is especially important in this type of game where there wasn't much content to go off of

This rapid shift from we got scum wagoned to Ben is likely town, policy lynch OutWorldER is particularly jarring.

Bolded is showing the read shift.

Underlined is where Superbowl9 shows he has no interest in sorting OutWorldER if Ben flips town.

It's chaining lynches in its worst form.

[Battle Mage]

Personally,

I don’t think it’s impossible for Ben wagon to be all town.

However, off the wagon was killed, so

I’m thinking 1 maybe 2 scum max on the wagon

for clarity sake.

superbowl9, Titus, NoPowerOverMe - is the spot where one would be on that wagon.

SuperBowl kinda looks like irritated scum. And NPOM immediately went to come after me.

No way is there scum that isn’t off the wagon

, so I’ll look there in a bit.

I don’t think Titus is scum here because the town reads she stated makes sense based on her skills with wagonomics.

lots of flip-flopping here. FL goes from stating it's all town on the wagon, to 1-2 scum max on the wagon, back to being certain that it's all town on the wagon.

I'm also not mad about the idea we look away from the wagon - think there's a decent chance of scum on wagon.

[OutWorldER]

I don't love Outworld on this page.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think this is a good place to park

for the time being

.

that's the sort of non-committal phrasing which i see from scum more than town. Makes the vote seem un-serious, and town shouldn't want their votes to seem un-serious, but scum might if they don't want to ruffle feathers.

if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.

Why do you think that?

he was super bombastic and confident on Day 1. I don't think he's the type to go balls-out like that, unless he was confident his team would carry the victory.

Where do you get this impression of me? In Open 799 (the game we played together) I was also rather confident in my reads/solve though I will agree I wasn't as explosive as I was at D1 EoD this game.

I feel like you answered your own question here - you agree you played differently, so why ask something so inane as "where do you get this impression of me?" when you know we have only shared 1 game together and i've already said that's the basis of my assessment. It's a question for the sake of asking a question - more of a scum posturing move than town move.

@Ranny

I want to get into your head-space a little bit. Why do you feel perceived inconsistency in reads and other such topics (I say perceived because you obviously don't have access to my own thought processes) is scum indicative?

question to Ranny, which basically amounts to "you are voting for me, please stop that".

time for 10 am tiredposting

leanscum on NPOM and Superbowl9. Both seem to be putting forth incredibly little effort to the game, their reads and votes (what few they've put forth) are incredibly lazy.

FL probably town. I don't think scum outright locktown's such a controversial move and I see no reason for him to pocket me. Same logic for Titus.

Want to hear more from Alch, but what little they've posted seems towny.

@Titus

have your opinions on NPOM changed from yesterday? I agree with your take on SB9 but I actually feel worse about NPOM due to the fact that he's just kind of ignoring me and the main topic of discussion to push FL. Gives me bad vibes.

question to Titus which basically amounts to "please help me wagon NPOM". Also, I definitely fall in the low-effort camp, but he singles out NPOM and Superbowl only. I'm sure there are others too. Low effort doesn't mean scum though, especially in this game where scum appears to be off to a good start.

1) I said for the time being because at that time NPOM wasn't literally lockscum, and I had planned to take this day a little slower and return to my usual style. That has changed.

2) My disagreement more stemmed from your surprise since outside of being more aggressive and more memey I didn't think my play was that much different from O799.

3) Yes, I wanted Ranny to stop voting town. To do that, I wished to have a genuine conversation with him about his thought processes and how he performs his reads.

4) Yes, I was reaching out to one of my town-reads to see if we could consolidate votes on a player I don't exactly feel good about. Especially now.

Also I didn't consider you low-effort? You provided interaction and actual original thoughts of your own, which is more than I can say for SB9 and NPOM before just recently.

I can see your reasoning for suspecting me for Number 1 but I do fail to see what exactly is wrong about the last two parts.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the person primarialy responsible for the D1 mislynch saying who is and who isn't town at this point.

[Titus]

Personally,

I don’t think it’s impossible for Ben wagon to be all town.

However, off the wagon was killed, so

I’m thinking 1 maybe 2 scum max on the wagon

for clarity sake.

superbowl9, Titus, NoPowerOverMe - is the spot where one would be on that wagon.

SuperBowl kinda looks like irritated scum. And NPOM immediately went to come after me.

No way is there scum that isn’t off the wagon

, so I’ll look there in a bit.

I don’t think Titus is scum here because the town reads she stated makes sense based on her skills with wagonomics.

lots of flip-flopping here. FL goes from stating it's all town on the wagon, to 1-2 scum max on the wagon, back to being certain that it's all town on the wagon.

I'm also not mad about the idea we look away from the wagon - think there's a decent chance of scum on wagon.

The underlined isn't true. By saying scum must be off the wagon, he's saying the entire scumteam wasn't on the wagon. He's not saying the wagon is pure town.

[Titus]

I'm a little bit uncomfortable with the person primarialy responsible for the D1 mislynch saying who is and who isn't town at this point.

Why? It's either associatives or scumhunting.

[Battle Mage]

I'm not big on the Titus tunnel below. Fundamentally the conclusion doesn't bear much resemblance to the reality of what transpired. Ben was vocal, clearly scumhunting, not trying to buddy anyone, and not really hedging his bets. He was basically acting like your typical enthusiastic Day 1 townie. Titus took umbridge with his retaliation towards her, whilst at the same time calling him meek and weak. At best, not a fair assessment.

Spoiler:

Actually, I am the tiebreaking vote. Looks like I'll have to reread Ben's earlier posts to see if he was trying to do the same there and his possible motivation if true. Rannygazoo's case is simple though so I like it better all things considered.

Part of me says watch it be S v S and I am just needing to keep town together.

You should find it's me doing the same thing I did yesterday, asking logical questions to see which responses I get so I can make a more informed decision about which way to vote.

The catch is here is that I am disinclined to think anything you did was "logical" as I felt my behavior explanation was perfectly clear.

As for whether that was your goal is something I'll have to determine.

VOTE: Benhalkum

47 doesn't look like a question that will help you sort at all. Instead it's just outright shade for my aggressive behavior.

So Ranny ben and superbowl contains at least one scum, with sb being the least likely.

Non is probably scum.

Not sure that makes me think you're town. I don't think we've played together so unsure of how you typically play so I'll watch others who have.

I just want to point out, just because Titus is saying I'm town doesn't mean I automatically agree she is.

Really weird mentioning it more than once.

The paranoid part of me makes me think if she flips scum it's an attempt to get me targeted next.

That or it's an attempt to get me to lay off my suspecion as why would I want to suspect someone who's baking me as town?

These two posts are inconsistent. If you were waiting to see how others with meta react, then why do you promptly discard it?

yoVOTE: titusdidn't get the nk thing

I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

what other impressions did you get

It bothers me these are the only two post from them.

BM and I went into detail with Titus yesterday on the "NK thing" but a lot of the other players are town reading her. However, you simply gloss over that and just say it bothered you.

Why?

I know why it bothered BM and I. But this seems SUS as hell to me.

Could be distancing. There is no follow-up but that's hard to do with an inactive slot. Punt on this for now.

Looked it up.

Mini Normal 2102.

And honestly, now that you bring it up, right now you completely seem scum to me based upon your play style there and how you're being now.

This is like the fourth person you've suggested as scum with little to no townreading of anyone (maybe BM).

Seems more of a OMGUS vote than a logical one at this point. Why are you threatened by being asked a few questions?

But hey, at least you gave a reason. Not a good one, but a reason.

More shade.

Overall, I find Ben to be seeking permission to vote, being weak but shady in his stances and being rather meek.