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[unwnd]

Alright I'll do some skim/read from this day and maybe a few ISO as well

[Vaxkiller]

Checking in. I have a work event this afternoon and into tonight and all day tomorrow. So I'll be able to do some reading come Sunday.

Anyone want to give me some cliffs notes?

muh got wagoned day 1, then Pretentous came in and tried a way-too early quickhammer and everyone jumped on him for that. On day 2 Guillotina came out and claimed a red check on Nero Cain, his claim was sketchy as hell so people voted him for it, he flipped town, then for some reason mafia shot the VT the claimed guilty was on. So basically it's been a series of gamethrows so far.

This is a decent summary of what's happened.

rofl

[Vaxkiller]

Anyone want to claim a redirecting role?

[Vaxkiller]

I thought not.

[NoPowerOverMe]

There are no redirecting roles that fit the normal game criteria.

[unwnd]

Haven't done a full dive yet, but I see that I'm not the only replacement in this game. At face value, Insano's wall looks decent. I don't think it means much to me however and I can very much seeing it come from scum. The timing and necessity of it as I looked back from his posting habits doesn't really line up. They're all just general statements, and while that is evidently true for most catch-up walls, I don't feel he is leading with any clear direction. It feels like he just grabbed a bunch of odd topics and condensed them. I only mention this because I am not favorable of the content of his previous slot, therefore I doubt the intent

[unwnd]

I think TGP is an okay push but for me my bias leads that something more sinister must be going on, and with that in mind it becomes an easy one to make. ABR mentioned to me that the people who were leading wagons were dead. I might go look at why that is later but I dunno yet

[Insanoflex]

Haven't done a full dive yet, but I see that I'm not the only replacement in this game. At face value, Insano's wall looks decent. I don't think it means much to me however and I can very much seeing it come from scum. The timing and necessity of it as I looked back from his posting habits doesn't really line up. They're all just general statements, and while that is evidently true for most catch-up walls, I don't feel he is leading with any clear direction. It feels like he just grabbed a bunch of odd topics and condensed them. I only mention this because I am not favorable of the content of his previous slot, therefore I doubt the intent

It's just a readlist. Most of my analysis was based on drawing connections between people and Nero cain, so most of what I have left is pretty general.

[unwnd]

I understand that

Again, do you really think TGP is the best option here? I don't know, maybe I just feel differently about these situations. When my team is down, scum is winning. If scum is winning, they're either pulling the strings or just letting town eat themselves alive. I feel right now the thread morale is low but I don't think it's done due to in-fighting, rather apathy. You had Guillo who shit the bed and a bunch of unfortunate events. You have a ton of replacements and nobody seeing eye-to-eye. I don't think it's impossible for scum to be playing the part of town apathy, but I don't feel like TGP's posts were all that apathetic. At best, not interested.

[Gamma Emerald]

Bluh
I acknowledge things are happening but I don’t have the time/energy to handle it

[DrippingGoofball]

Worst offender by volume, not by content.

No... by content too.

MPOM is probably scum in this game.

[Insanoflex]

I understand that

Again, do you really think TGP is the best option here? I don't know, maybe I just feel differently about these situations. When my team is down, scum is winning. If scum is winning, they're either pulling the strings or just letting town eat themselves alive. I feel right now the thread morale is low but I don't think it's done due to in-fighting, rather apathy. You had Guillo who shit the bed and a bunch of unfortunate events. You have a ton of replacements and nobody seeing eye-to-eye. I don't think it's impossible for scum to be playing the part of town apathy, but I don't feel like TGP's posts were all that apathetic. At best, not interested.

Yes, actually. I feel they are not engaged in a way that is alignment indicative for them. They're capable of making meaningful attempts at solving. 2772 is not that. It's a lot of empty posturing that goes nowhere. Unless you're trying to tell me I'm missing something obvious I like my vote.

[unwnd]

I think Non Imh's posts are non-tells, and even in the event of an inactive lurk scum he'd at least be somewhat aware. None of them seemed like they involved other mates telling him what to do and not do, he just looked lost and confused. I think Non's wagon right now from an outsider perspective is either desperation by town or merely scum trying to push an easy wagon. Obviously, you're not there and voting TGP. TGP seems to think that Non Imh isn't the right call either. While I don't townread TGP (more on the side of null), I don't know what he gains being contrarian. He looks bad in hindsight but yeah, questioning if it's just..bad

[Gamma Emerald]

unwnd I think you need to give hard thoughts on the situation rn
I see some theoreticals but not much extrapolation from them

[unwnd]

I noted that one of your stances was that you felt the active players seemed pretty town, so apologies if I'm assuming something but it seems you disagree that something more is going on and we should just keep lining up inactive/uninteresting slots until we strike gold. What makes you think it's that simple? If you've re-read then I assume you've paid attention to the way the thread has formed if that makes sense

[unwnd]

unwnd I think you need to give hard thoughts on the situation rn
I see some theoreticals but not much extrapolation from them

My hard thoughts are the foundation of my theories, and I play the game trying to get a bigger picture before focusing on the details

[DrippingGoofball]

None of them seemed like they involved other mates telling him what to do

In my experience, scum teams are rarely that involved unless I'm in them LOL

I have seen some scum teams chaotically discussing who to bus and when... who is an easy yeet...

[Albert B. Rampage]

If scum is winning, they're either pulling the strings or just letting town eat themselves alive

Norwee and Nero were pushing for Pretentious the hardest.

Guillo did Guillo things and he got the Guillotine.

Scum didn't have to do a single thing in this game so far.

The good news is that we got rid of the crazy slots and it's only day 3. With 4 scum, we can still afford 3 mislynches.

[DrippingGoofball]

Some scum has to be pretty stoked and motivated by the self-destroying townies.

[unwnd]

From my own experience (as scum), if we're winning then we're doing something right and we're likely going to keep doing it. This wagon doesn't seem like scum are bothered about it at all

[Insanoflex]

I think Non Imh's posts are non-tells, and even in the event of an inactive lurk scum he'd at least be somewhat aware. None of them seemed like they involved other mates telling him what to do and not do, he just looked lost and confused. I think Non's wagon right now from an outsider perspective is either desperation by town or merely scum trying to push an easy wagon. Obviously, you're not there and voting TGP. TGP seems to think that Non Imh isn't the right call either. While I don't townread TGP (more on the side of null), I don't know what he gains being contrarian. He looks bad in hindsight but yeah, questioning if it's just..bad

I feel like just absently distancing yourself from a wagon while not doing anything and stepping away from the game is just posturing, but I guess I see what you're saying. By that metric, I think muh is worse.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Players record of finding scum based on hunches this game is very poor. We need to look at ower because he did something actually scummy.

VOTE: OutworldER

[Albert B. Rampage]

My prediction is that scum are going to drop their guard / get exposed after taking it easy for 3 days.

[unwnd]

I would definitely agree with Muh over TGP if you're willing to compromise

[DrippingGoofball]

Players record of finding scum based on hunches this game is very poor. We need to look at ower because he did something actually scummy.

VOTE: OutworldER

What game is that?