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[Mod Pizza]

with a few exceptions

those being?

is this important to answer right now

Well I’m just saying if it’s not gonna do much with most people but it will with some isn’t it a better use of our time to push those people it’s likely to have an effect on?

[Mod Pizza]

fair, but for the two of us we actually resolved it fairly quickly, believe it or not

Do u wanna link syr that newbie game or shall I?

[Mod Pizza]

Cabd, do u have any feelings about me so far at all?

[petapan]

Well I’m just saying if it’s not gonna do much with most people but it will with some isn’t it a better use of our time to push those people it’s likely to have an effect on?

that's what i

was

doing with ben before i

thought

it would be a good idea to sheep cabd only to make a fool of myself

and since i'm sort of blowing up my spot just by saying this, let's go all the way and say, seeing him pretty much selfdestruct in chosen mafia, figured he'd be easy to pressure to get a reaction out of, so that was exactly why i voted him (although i did and still do have some issue with the formulation of his reads). i think the way he responded to me was maybe townish for him? but of course then i looked at the game skitter linked and he's decently capable of emulating his town meltdown as scum, apparently, so even that read is shaky now

[Elements]

I will catch up tomorrow
People who know Skitter, does she normally move her vote around this much?

[Mod Pizza]

There’s some variation by game but basically yeah

[borkjerfkin]

Well first off I just learned that I revoted bork lmao, I forgot I threw up 130's vote entirely, just to be somewhere else after not liking the hint of townread line.

I cleared up the timeline of what I was talking about here bork if you're still confused by what I meant.

My 253 is saying that 239, the post I claimed was a strawman (ie. not grokking my point correctly), came after my vote [in 233]

I know that. The fact that you think I'm saying something else was like a huge neon fucking sign that either we were talking past each other or you were trying to just muddy the waters of the conversation. At that point I didn't have any reason to think you were voting me for misrepresenting what you were trying to say in 233, and it took a lot from me to get to that admission to the point where it just seemed like you were trying to talk circles around me instead of answering.

And after all that, I think the fact that you're latching on to the fact that I said "write them off" instead of "town read them for now" as something I find hard to believe someone would genuinely think, Like I think the fact that reads can change should be self evident. You made it about that instead of about what I was really asking about - the grouping of three players that, to a lot of people, would be arbitrary.

It also seemed like you came out of the gate in 242 looking to scumread me no matter what I followed up with (this is utterly 100% subjectively my opinion), and I think generally the best way to deal with that is to move on for the moment, as the longer that goes on the less I can tell the difference between a well intentioned tunneler and scum who want to clog up the game thread with minutiae during this type of interaction.

The fact that after a few days later you're basically just egging me on at every point to regurgitate the same conversation for the third time is not a town thing to do.

VOTE: prism

I also am rereading and don't like

Part of me wondered if you thought me an easy target after Illicit, not necessarily to get wagoned but to at least score points off of. I will quickly put it to rest.

Don't know where any of this comes from; I barely know you, have no reason to think you're a weak player, and and it just serves to do nothing but attribute nonexistent scum motivation for engaging with you.

[Prism]

If skitter wants me dead today then I probably die because she’s one of maybe 2/3 players that I’m confident I lose a 1v1 against

This makes me really interested as to what your strategy here is for dealing with skitter as scum.

Reading through page 20/21 I think skitter looks neutral/scumlean, just in that they seem annoyed by having to play around someone's weirdly constructed image.

Mena I am...very torn. 532 sticks out to me because the bit about wanting to sort skitter feels honest. The three sentences preceding it I can see him just being annoyed at bad reasoning as scum but eh. If I had to guess it's town.

[skitter30]

If skitter wants me dead today then I probably die because she’s one of maybe 2/3 players that I’m confident I lose a 1v1 against

This makes me really interested as to what your strategy here is for dealing with skitter as scum.

Reading through page 20/21 I think skitter looks neutral/scumlean,

just in that they seem annoyed by having to play around someone's weirdly constructed image.

Mena I am...very torn. 532 sticks out to me because the bit about wanting to sort skitter feels honest. The three sentences preceding it I can see him just being annoyed at bad reasoning as scum but eh. If I had to guess it's town.

that's not what i was annoyed abt, and you can see that fairly clearly over the next few pages
and i mean this in the nicest possible way, but his strategy is to just kinda hope to outargue me and hope for the best, basically. and hope that if i decide to get him voted out he can be loud enough along the way that i'd get voted out next after his townflip
532 was a p awful post from him, but he's town despite that

[Mod Pizza]

his strategy is to just kinda hope to outargue me and hope for the best, basically. and hope that if i decide to get him voted out he can be loud enough along the way that i'd get voted out next after his townflip

p much yeah

I don’t think 532 is that +town for me tbh but I’ll take a townread if it’s on the table

[Mod Pizza]

Tbf my plan with skitter scum is normally to catch her on a later day and to explain how her actions fit into a larger scumplan or are backed by a scum view of the gamestate

I prob don’t try to out argue her in a your scum no u sort of way

[Prism]

At that point I didn't have any reason to think you were voting me for misrepresenting what you were trying to say in 233, and it took a lot from me to get to that admission to the point where it just seemed like you were trying to talk circles around me instead of answering.

This interpretation of my vote is still is wrong. My vote, again, came before what I claim is a strongman. My vote was not for the misrepresentation, but for a combination of feeling like you didn't have good faith in your questioning and scumpings from earlier posts. I intentionally left this vague for reaction.

And after all that, I think the fact that you're latching on to the fact that I said "write them off" instead of "town read them for now" as something I find hard to believe someone would genuinely think,

That was one part, the other was the playing up how strong I said they were playing.

I don't think it's implausible to leap ahead to a much stronger formulation as town but when I have the mindset that you came in looking to discredit/score points off me from the get-go, it does not lend to me giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Like I think the fact that reads can change should be self evident. You made it about that instead of about what I was really asking about - the grouping of three players that, to a lot of people, would be arbitrary.

I literally answered your question for why it was still a bad idea. I took issue with your much stronger formulation.

It also seemed like you came out of the gate in 242 looking to scumread me no matter what I followed up with (this is utterly 100% subjectively my opinion), and I think generally the best way to deal with that is to move on for the moment, as the longer that goes on the less I can tell the difference between a well intentioned tunneler and scum who want to clog up the game thread with minutiae during this type of interaction.

Strange. It's like I scumread you already in 233. I really doubt you still fail to see why I fucking hated 242 given the words spilled over it. I did not have to look hard to find a reason to hate it.

The fact that after a few days later you're basically just egging me on at every point to regurgitate the same conversation for the third time is not a town thing to do.

I can get this from my interaction w/ skitter regarding you but I'm confused as to why you think this from the post I quoted. It is literally me acknowledging that I completely forgot my vote, and clarifying the timeline without doing so aggressively or asking you anything to draw back in, only to make sure you understood my perspective.

The fact that after a few days later you're basically just egging me on at every point to regurgitate the same conversation for the third time is not a town thing to do.

Part of me wondered if you thought me an easy target after Illicit, not necessarily to get wagoned but to at least score points off of. I will quickly put it to rest.

Don't know where any of this comes from; I barely know you, have no reason to think you're a weak player, and and it just serves to do nothing but attribute nonexistent scum motivation for engaging with you.

This was literally just a pet theory, but you were in Illicit and I was intentionally a very, very different player than the one I am now.

[Mod Pizza]

I also feel like I’ve only ever caught skitter in newbies and both times it was because of her associations to other slots/her approach to the gamestate not making sense if she was coming to it from a town pov

So imo those are the best ways to try and read skitter (it’s still really hard when she just sees the gamestate totally differently, like here, and I’ve had a couple of cases where she’s seen things v differently and been town)

My strategy as scum is basically the reverse — try to simulate a gamestate read that maps onto her’s and hits the same key points

[Prism]

I'm very fine powertunneling this. Bork leaping to assumptions was bad but still plausibly town, but there is little chance the section that's "100% subjective" about me determined to find something wrong with his response regardless is a load of garbage.

You do not have to squint hard at all to see why I thought this post was a strawman:

The only context needed is that we're talking about Elements townreading all of Syr/Cabd/Ffery.

I think even without knowing them, and only seeing this game, this holds true, though.

This is really the crux: curious as to why you think this

Three active, strong posters.

VOTE: borkjerfkin

Come on, this game isn't exactly filled w/ shlubs and I don't feel like they've been dominating the game in any real perceivable capacity that it's too dangerous to write them all off
in any event it's a really weird reason to vote me for asking about

[Prism]

but there is little chance the section that's "100% subjective" about me determined to find something wrong with his response regardless is a load of garbage.

Switching grammatical structure on the fly once again comes back to bite me lmao

[skitter30]

My strategy as scum is basically the reverse — try to simulate a gamestate read that maps onto her’s and hits the same key points

good to know!

VOTE: prism

[Prism]

Walk it through in your own words, Skitter. Let's hear it.

[Mod Pizza]

good to know!

Although now I have said this I will obviously have to try something new

[Prism]

I can actually still see a world in which bork fails to understand both why I voted and why 242 is so terrible. It does exist.

But I'm very eager to hear from skitter what scum motivation has come out of what I just posted.

[Prism]

239. 242 is a post of mine. I really keep the hits coming.

[Prism]

Bork actually has no reason to circle back to this fight as scum here. He also doesn't have reason to still blatantly get the timeline wrong.

The joys.

UNVOTE:

[Prism]

This is pretty rough since I have a lot of incentive to dodge that 1v1 as scum. This is going to be a fun next 10 pages.

[Prism]

bork, can you walk through why you still seem to think my vote in 233 was prompted by the misrepresentation of 239, in the context of 497?

And do you, at the most basic level, disagree that you drastically overstated my point to discredit it in 239?

[fferyllt]

I'm starting on page 1. dealwithit.

hint of a townread on ffery

Somebody's probably asked this already, but what in hell was the basis of this?

hint of a townread on ffery

But like the shitty kind of advertising hint, where "Hint of Lime" means "a single lime was in this 500 gallon barrel of water at one point during storage" for a vitamin water brand.

I don't think I've ever had a homeopathic read before.

Fiery can’t be scum here right?

Why did you ask this?

I love ice cream.

I've been staring at your posts in Smoke-filled and Death Curse the last few minutes, reminding myself of some half-baked theories I concocted a couple weeks ago.

Ha! I don't even remember referencing the pooky model so early.

Fiery can’t be scum here right?

If I were scum, I actually would be crying in the scum PT about now.

Nu uh. This player list is like the dream to draw scum into, the ultimate proving grounds.

Look at how tryhard our boy is.

it would be the worst thing actually

but the second worst thing happened to me, which is being town in this list

I remember in smoke-filled, you said something that was less of an "I'm town" and more of an "I'm not out of my scum-range, sucks to be you", early on.

I'm so goddamn desperate to get a red PM these days, I feel like I ought to go sign up for six more games to have a shot at one. Fakegod's antechamber fakeout is the closest I'm gonna get this year.

I'm reading this like it's being played in a telenovella.

The lady doth protests too much.

I'll probs have things to say about this in a page or 3.

I think maybe I did circle back to this, but just in case, in our morph hydra we've both talked about drawing scum in this iteration of out-of-retirement. Cabd's looking forward to it a LOT. And he wants it to happen in a stacked player list. Regardless of his alignment here, this is a thing he thinks about and it's a thing he says.

Can we get a wagon going and start this?

This post clanged when I first saw it. Not the "start this" part but the emphasis on getting a wagon going. And because it came immediately after what looked an RVS vote on Cabd. However, it fits with the later pattern of ratcheting your votes. The 3 post combo is just...itchy.

5 pages in already and all I know is I kinda want pizza and/or ice cream now.

There was content to interact with, but slack given for it being his first post.

Any port in a storm, eh?

Somehow, I mentally placed this post a little later in the thread. I have a memory glitch to repair. I think Prism's related 129 might have been the seed of my townread.

No, I'll get to day three on my own merits, TYVM.

{Prism}
---Giant Gap of Prismness---
{the rest of you lot}
---Giant Gap of Sadz---
{Vaxkiller}

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vax

I really liked this post and still do. Rummaging back through this thread, I'm re-finding the stuff that initiated my reads. I was worried I might not agree with past-me given how little of the thread actually stuck in my head beyond the moment.

I see your vote, and a counter with a wagon
VOTE: fferyllt

This was the post that struck me as a ratchet. Moving off his 1-vote wagon and onto the wagon with the most votes. I expected to see him do this another time or three in the next few pages.

Element's 150 was the start of a series of posts that struck me as excited and down to business. Calling out 3 players I'm pretty sure are unfamiliar to her to join her vax wagon looked really confident. I remember she missed that Cabd was already voting her, but damn, look at those posts. They're so confident.

A page 6 reads list? lol!

VOTE: elements

I may unvote if that reads list a joke or something.

Lets wagon this instead. ffiellt wasnt anything anyway.

Don't like this.

I feel relatively strongly that elements is town.

Do like this.

Any port in a storm, eh?

I did not like this post

What bothers you about it?

The implication was that vax was willing to move his vote to wherever (presumably to push an ML) when it seemed to me 125 just followed from 124

Still disagree with this, but I wonder if I'm beating the same path over again in my head and overlaying it all with my liking of 146.

is how I read 126. It's so obviously sarcastic that it fells forced and as if it's trying to get people to join in "for the meme" as it were

i get what you're saying but i feel it's pretty innocuous

it is a page 7 read list

I laughed.

I'll answer whatever question someone had for me+give other comments when I get home.

I like this Elements a lot more than the one I saw in Undertale. Putting all 3 of Candy/Ffery/Syr town for Elements scum is very brave

Another brick in the read.

I'll answer whatever question someone had for me+give other comments when I get home.

I like this Elements a lot more than the one I saw in Undertale. Putting all 3 of Candy/Ffery/Syr town for Elements scum is very brave

only if they are actually all town

The implication is clear. What are the underpinnings?

[borkjerfkin]

bork, can you walk through why you still seem to think my vote in 233 was prompted by the misrepresentation of 239, in the context of 497?

how could i possibly fucking think this lol

you voted me obviously for something from 225, but you used 239 as post-hoc justification for this every time i tried to engage about 233