976: mystyry box of sylvyr I: isis game. day 3

[mastina]

And I think it's absurd to insist that you were so good there was no reason I should have been able to

make my argument

for being town or for you being scum.

I never said that?

Sure, yes, you had the right to make your argument for being town and for me being scum.

But just as you have that right, I have the right to point out how those arguments, while correct in alignment (because you were town and I was scum), are flawed in reasoning--if you scumcased me by pointing out a list of things that are prototypical town-mastina tells, for instance, then that is an argument that I can, justifiably, discredit as being one not backed by facts.

[mastina]

Like you are not so good that the game was such a forgone conclusion that there was no point in me trying, and that's what it seems like you're saying

I said the game was a foregone conclusion and there was no point in trying, but uhhh...I said it in the opposite context?

I said it was a foregone conclusion that this game was going to be a town win and that there was no point in scum trying once schadd_ confirmed Dunnstral's claim as mod-confirmed to be true beyond any shadow of a doubt. The moment he did that, I felt scum couldn't win because we couldn't argue he lied about his role (it was mod-confirmed), we couldn't argue he lied about his N1 action (it was mod-confirmed), and we couldn't argue that his action failed (it was mod-confirmed).

[Akarin]

I never got to, and you apparently played such a perfect game that there was no point.

That's what I keep getting out of this.

All I actually got time to express in the game was frustration rather than actually taking the time I needed but you'd already dismissed anything I had to say as not based on facts.

I can't do a good job responding to 100,000 words that quickly and actually say anything that would be listened to.

I don't think it's fair to say that Ari should have been townreading you as scum so strongly that my effort would have been irrelevant.

I thought I'd have time to make it, but I didn't, and then it never would have mattered anyway

[mastina]

Subject: 976: mystyry box of sylvyr I: isis game. day 3

hi all. following night 1, i should have informed doubtingthomas that they were visited by dunnstral. that PM was not sent. i think it is most appropriate that this become public information. sorry for issues this has caused

I would like to say that I feel like this is very very poorly handled a resolution and you may as well call the game right here and now due to making it--
By publicly, PUBLICLY, confirming that Dunnstral's claimed role is real, by publicly confirming that Dunnstral's role is real, you're basically publicly confirming he is town.

By publicly confirming that he is town, it becomes impossible to eliminate him, in a lylo situation where there's only three town players to eliminate.
By publicly confirming that he is town, it also by proxy gives credence to Akarin, too.

By making this public, there's no real point in the game continuing--Dunnstral is basically mod-confirmed town. His slot is mod-compromised by the public reveal that his claim is true.
Because he is mod-confirmed to be telling the truth, scum literally cannot win here.

Yeah, i don't see a world where we win now, i agree

(Posts from the scum PT that'll presumably be released when schadd_ gets around to it.)

[Gypyx]

Could you 2 please calm down? I'm sad to see this endgame just turn into a "did mastina play good" argument :/

[Akarin]

I THINK MASTINA PLAYED WELL

I just feel like shit that I put so much thought into this game and felt like I was doing a good job previously, was townread most of the game, was right on Nic-Dunn and then never got a chance to even

try

to close it out.

And it feels terribly unfair to say that there was no point in considering what I had to say.

I feel like that mod confirmation was unfair to you two as well, but I don't see what Schadd_ could have done differently other than not making the mistake in the first place.

[Akarin]

And clearly it wasn't that bad, because you won.

[Akarin]

Like there's a huge difference between played well, and played so amazingly perfectly unreadable that there was no chance of Ari/Tris ever listening to me.

[Akarin]

But maybe it was that after all and I'm just...

I don't know

I'll shut up

[mastina]

I never got to, and you apparently played such a perfect game that there was no point.

I didn't play a perfect scumgame--there was at least one notable aspect of my towngame lacking from this one. (Notably: I never made proper readslists. Nobody noticed that, but that's an actual legit town/scumtell of mine. Proper readslists as town; a lack thereof as scum.) Lacking at least one fundamental aspect of my towngame innately means that this game had flaws that I knew about. (Plus, due to my insistence on not bussing, Gypyx-mastina was a scumteam that there was strong associatives for. If one of us went down, it was assured the other would as well, and that is also a potentially exploitable mistake of sorts.)

Beyond that...We managed to kill literally the only VTs in the game all three nights in spite of knowing there was a Novice Cop in the game. (TGP was killed because we, mistakenly, thought THEY were the cop, rather than you.)

Those were misplays and mistakes.

I did however play a good scumgame--the majority of the arguments you were presenting as evidence of me being scum are, in fact, things that my towngame is infamous for. That I displayed these typical traits of my towngame when scum is something I feel I rightly can be proud of.

you'd already dismissed anything I had to say as not based on facts.

I mean.
I feel like what I said this game was based on the facts publicly available.
I feel like your arguments did indeed lack them, presenting incorrect information and dismissing the valid facts.

That said: it is fair that you should've been provided the chance to present your case properly, and maybe to give actually-valid facts (tho I can tell you that it certainly seemed like you weren't giving valid facts).

But blaming Ari for not thinking, when he did clearly think, is wrong.

You can place fault in him for voting so soon when there was so much time left in the day, where if given time to present arguments he may have been swayed otherwise, but saying he didn't think about his vote is unfair to him because to him, I imagine, he thought that he was confident enough to make a choice. That's not a thoughtless action. Maybe a careless action, but one which was perfectly reasonable to have had--I've made early votes in lylo as town on town that cost my team the game, carelessly, but not thoughtlessly.

[Aristophanes]

[Aristophanes]

I was going to say we should wait for the official end because that's how I do but it looks like everyone else is already not doing that so...

[Aristophanes]

Anyway, I'm sorry Akarin.

Don't blame Tris, I take full responsibility.

[Aristophanes]

Fuck man, I'm on a streak of bad calls in Lylo atm. Wonderful.

[mastina]

And it feels terribly unfair to say that there was no point in considering what I had to say.

Well since I wasn't actually saying that (since I agree that you had the right to be heard), there, we have common ground now.

[Gypyx]

Mfw akarin flips Novice Investigatoire Vengeful and you (ari) are a JOAT (Alien ; Vigilante)

[Aristophanes]

Should I read the pages since hammer or is it just Akarin being mad at me and mastina egostroking?

[Akarin]

I hadn't presented a case, I'd presented frustration.

I'd had like 3% of the time I needed for this game and I'm still IRL dealing with getting back into things after Thanksgiving.

I

hate

being treated like I couldn't have possibly had any valid reason for scumreading you just because I hadn't been able to put it into compelling words yet.

[Aristophanes]

Mfw akarin flips Novice Investigatoire Vengeful and you (ari) are a JOAT (Alien ; Vigilante)

Lmao

[Gypyx]

Should I read the pages since hammer or is it just Akarin being mad at me and mastina egostroking?

Basically yes

[Akarin]

Mfw akarin flips Novice Investigatoire Vengeful and you (ari) are a JOAT (Alien ; Vigilante)

Don't worry, I'm not vengeful

[Gypyx]

Yeah i know don't worry, we got as an info there was a novice investigatoire

[mastina]

I hereby give you official right to mislynch me in every game we have together for the next...oh, hmm, let's say five years.

Any game where I forget that I have given you this privilege, just quote this post and I'll sheepishly go, "oh...right " and eat the death that I deserve.

Sorry, Ari. <3

[Aristophanes]

I hereby give you official right to mislynch me in every game we have together for the next...oh, hmm, let's say five years.

Any game where I forget that I have given you this privilege, just quote this post and I'll sheepishly go, "oh...right " and eat the death that I deserve.

Sorry, Ari. <3

Haha I appreciate the sentiment my friend <3

Not that I expect you to go down without a fight, even if I were to cash this in

And hot damn, 5 years??
I'm bookmarking the shit out of this post!

[schadd_]

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