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[Noraa]

I did peddle off the wagon at the last moment.
Trust be told, I was never THAT convinced Shoshin was scum but there was a game that I was thinking of.

So the game ended today and I wanted to mention it. It was a mini normal that shoshin and I were in. Shoshin reminds me of Herta.
Herta is a player that I have been in two games with and I have always been null/TRed on him. Both games he was scum.
Shoshin remind of that. Basically a player that I can't seem to ever SR.
That game was also the reason that I believed shoshin's empty questions wasn't necessarily scum indicative.

[Datisi]

i was *on* the wagon tho??

[Noraa]

This game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84894

[Noraa]

Everyone would benefit from skimming Shoshin's ISO there to see where my hesitation stemmed from.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i was *on* the wagon tho??

Ok fine so Gamma is not probscum then.

[Noraa]

I'll be catching up on today's posts in a bit.

I just realized I have a bunch of stuff I gotta do and this is a p heavy read of like 10 pages so I'll be doing that later.

[Datisi]

also i explicitly said i don't think all 3 have to be town, just that there's mech room for all 3 to be town

pedit: hm? you saying i took that place?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Guys lets have a discussion about cakez

[Noraa]

Basically in a nutshell, her town play there convinced me that her empty questions weren't town indicative.
But I was also worried she was one of those players that I could never SR.
I ended up flip flopping a shit ton trying to decide what was the best play.
I caved to ABR.
Later regretted a lil.
Stayed firm regardless.
Decided to leave wagon to give her space.

[Albert B. Rampage]

also i explicitly said i don't think all 3 have to be town, just that there's mech room for all 3 to be town

pedit: hm? you saying i took that place?

No but its a good things you're both on. Max 1 scum was on Shoshin.

That means 2 were off, and 1 of them was cakez.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Basically in a nutshell, her town play there convinced me that her empty questions weren't town indicative.
But I was also worried she was one of those players that I could never SR.
I ended up flip flopping a shit ton trying to decide what was the best play.
I caved to ABR.
Later regretted a lil.
Stayed firm regardless.
Decided to leave wagon to give her space.

Makes sense. But then again youre not an easy scum to catch, right?

[VP Baltar]

Basically in a nutshell, her town play there convinced me that her empty questions weren't town indicative.
But I was also worried she was one of those players that I could never SR.
I ended up flip flopping a shit ton trying to decide what was the best play.
I caved to ABR.
Later regretted a lil.
Stayed firm regardless.
Decided to leave wagon to give her space.

who was this even directed at and why did you write it?

[VP Baltar]

Guys lets have a discussion about cakez

Could be scum. You make good points. I don't want to clog the thread up with that too much more rn so people can catch up. I don't think Cakez is off the table for a yeet today

[petapan]

Basically in a nutshell, her town play there convinced me that her empty questions weren't town indicative.
But I was also worried she was one of those players that I could never SR.
I ended up flip flopping a shit ton trying to decide what was the best play.
I caved to ABR.
Later regretted a lil.
Stayed firm regardless.
Decided to leave wagon to give her space.

you did a lot of complaining about the wagon speed but kept saying you were okay with the elim and never offered an alternative

[SirCakez]

Guys lets have a discussion about cakez

Could be scum. You make good points. I don't want to clog the thread up with that too much more rn so people can catch up. I don't think Cakez is off the table for a yeet today

what points? the only thing you offered was my targeting of midway and I explained this

[midwaybear]

Why do you think me not having a presence was scummy?

[SirCakez]

because I felt like you did when you were town in the past
Peta pointed out another ISO

[midwaybear]

Ok, can you get more specific? I don't think peta's ISO really shows presence(except when I tried to tryhard in the first 2 days of Smoke). I'm typically more laid back.

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: Shoshin
You got it

I wanna do intent >:O

intent

Ok so here is my take on Shoshin.
Everyone SRed her for asking pretty empty questions at the beginning. That is NOT a scum tell for her. I believe, tho I am not 100% sure, that she will do that as either alignment.
Looking back, I think maybe I slightly agree she started asking them a little too early for me to feel comfortable about it.
But still, using her own meta, overall, at that time she was a null town lean.
Then I started realizing she had no reads.
This is not that crazily uncommon on this site at that stage but for shoshin its not really her town meta at all.
Most of her posts were fluffy and defensive and that's just waaaay out of her town meta.
I started doing a 180 but ABR's aggressive ass pushes gave me lots of pause.
I feel like im going to get wagoned tomorrow regardless of the shoshin flip.
Thats not the end of the world but here I have explained my progression and hope people will understand how I approached this.

This is some serious BS from Noraa on the Shoshin wagon. She goes from intent> major waffle post above > Shoshin was obv town how could you! in twilight.


It's also not long after this Noraa post above that Cakez starts criticizing the Shoshin wagon (followed by being super dramatic after the hammer).

[Albert B. Rampage]

cakez/noraa/gamma?

[SirCakez]

It's also not long after this Noraa post above that Cakez starts criticizing the Shoshin wagon (followed by being super dramatic after the hammer).

Was I wrong though?

[SirCakez]

Ok, can you get more specific? I don't think peta's ISO really shows presence(except when I tried to tryhard in the first 2 days of Smoke). I'm typically more laid back.

You felt noncommittal on everything and didn't really commit to any pushes that I saw. I can pull specific posts if you want. It just doesn't read like what I saw in Smoke and Xenoblade.

[SirCakez]

It's also not long after this Noraa post above that Cakez starts criticizing the Shoshin wagon (followed by being super dramatic after the hammer).

Was I wrong though?

And I showed up at that moment because that was when I read the thread and caught up.

[SirCakez]

Guys lets have a discussion about cakez

Could be scum. You make good points. I don't want to clog the thread up with that too much more rn so people can catch up. I don't think Cakez is off the table for a yeet today

what points? the only thing you offered was my targeting of midway and I explained this

[SirCakez]

i was *on* the wagon tho??

Ok fine so Gamma is not probscum then.

cakez/noraa/gamma?

Nice progression
ABR's posting is incoherent because it's faked