Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[borkjerfkin]

Newbie 2043: Cherfnul

Flavor:

Spoiler:

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Player List:

1. Battle Mage (SE)
2. ben dover123
3. Chumbo
4. clidd (SE)
5. LoneMarkhor
6. Rockhopper

mars

7. Lunar Martian

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

8. LavarManos

Pragdoid

9. Trendall (SE)

Alive:

Spoiler:

3. Chumbo,

Mafia Goon

Dead:

Spoiler:

7. Lunar Martian,

Vanilla Townie

, was eliminated Day 1.

9. Trendall,

Town Cop

, was killed Night 1.

1. Battle Mage,

Mafia Roleblocker

, was eliminated Day 2.

4. clidd,

Town Doctor

, was killed Night 2.

6. Rockhopper,

Vanilla Townie

, was eliminated Day 3.

2. ben dover123,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed Night 3.

8. LavarManos,

Vanilla Townie

, was eliminated Day 4.

5. LoneMarkhor,

Vanilla Townie

, was endgamed Day 4.

Events:

Spoiler:

Day 1 Elimination
Day 2 Elimination
Day 3 Elimination
Game Over

[borkjerfkin]

Rules

General

1. Site-wide rules, as always, apply here.
   
2. I reserve the right to change any of the following rules at any time. I will also inform the players in thread and via PM in the unlikely scenario in which this is required.
   
3. This list is not necessarily all-inclusive. If you're unsure whether or not something is allowed, please PM me about it.
   
4. Disregarding the rules may result in consequences up to and including modkill and/or force-replacement.
   
5. There is to be NO PRIVATE OR OUTSIDE OF THREAD COMMUNICATION WITH OTHER PLAYERS IN THIS GAME ABOUT THIS GAME AT ANY TIME
   
   
6. If you need to talk to me in thread,
   please use bold.
   Additionally, feel free to PM me with any questions you might have.
   
7. Please do not use hidden or encrypted text.
   
8. Play to win.
   
9. Please treat your fellow players with respect. At the same time, please try not to take comments personally whenever possible.
   
10. Please allow for your fellow players to go V/LA.
    
11. Please keep me in the loop about your own V/LA status.
    
12. Purple is my color. Please do not use purple.
    
    
13. Have Fun!

Gameplay

1. The following vote formats are the de-facto standard on the site (aka votes should be enclosed with vote tags or bold tags. I don't care about caps/spelling/etc.)
   • VOTE: borkjerfkin
     
   • Vote: borkjerfkin
2. UNVOTE: /
   unvote
   declarations are valid to remove your vote, but are
   not
   required in order to change it.
   
3. If it appears to be a vote for a player, I will treat it as a vote for a player. Please don't attempt to fool me or other players with regard to fake votes. Do not put votes in spoiler tags.
   
4. An
   elimination
   is achieved when half plus one of the current number of living players are voting for the same player. If this does not occur by deadline, a No Elimination will occur -- there is no plurality elimination in this game.
   
5. Twilight is the time between the 'hammer' vote being cast and the beginning of the night phase. All living players, including the most recent elimination, may talk during this time.
   
6. Players' alignments will be revealed on death.
   
7. When killed, a player may make one informationless 'bah' post at the beginning of the next day phase and must be silent thereon until the conclusion of the game.
   
8. Please submit all night actions either via your private topic if you have one, or by PM if you do not.
   
9. If you have a night action and do not submit one, you will not take an action. I will not resolve your action on a random person.
   
10. Player List is ordered alphabetically by the initial players' names.
    
11. Role distribution is guaranteed to be random, determined with the aid of random.org

Deadlines

1. Day 1 will be exactly 10 days long. All further days will be seven (7) days long. Extensions may be granted at my discretion for what I feel are extenuating circumstances.
   
2. Nights will be exactly two days (48 hours) long.
   
3. Players will be given 48 hours to initially pick up role PMs, or they will be replaced.
   
4. Players will be prodded after 36 hours of inactivity during the day, excepting V/LA circumstances.
   
5. Failure to pick up a prod in 24 hours will result in replacement. Asking for replacement will result in replacement.

SE Guidelines

The purpose of the SE (Semi-Experienced) players in this game is to help newbies understand how the game is played on mafiascum.net. If you have any questions about abbreviations, etiquette, mafia theory, etc., do not hesitate to ask. Newbie games are meant to be educational.

[borkjerfkin]

Setup

This game uses the NewD3 setup.

One of the nine following setups will be generated (each is based on listed "special roles" in a cell in the matrix, after which 5 Vanilla Townies and 1 Mafia Goon are added.)

• [A1]
  1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker
  Vs.
  Town Cop, Town Doctor, 5 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• [A2]
  1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker
  Vs.
  Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, 5 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• [A3]
  1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker
  Vs.
  Town Mason, Town Mason, 5 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• [B1]
  1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Rolecop
  Vs.
  Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, 5 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• [B2]
  1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Rolecop
  Vs.
  Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, 5 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• [B3]
  1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Rolecop
  Vs.
  Town Tracker, Town Doctor, 5 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• [C1]
  2 Mafia Goons
  Vs.
  Town Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• [C2]
  2 Mafia Goons
  Vs.
  Town Jailkeeper, 6 Vanilla Townies
  
  
• [C3]
  2 Mafia Goons
  Vs.
  Town Mason, Town Mason, 5 Vanilla Townies

The PMs for every possible role are listed below:

Spoiler: Sample Role PMs

Vanilla Townie

Welcome!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Jailkeeper

Welcome!

You are a

Town Jailkeeper

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Cop

Welcome!

You are a

Town Cop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are

Town

or

Mafia

. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Mason

Welcome!

You are a

Town Mason

.

You know that [player] is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town Tracker

Welcome!

You are a

Town Tracker

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town Friendly Neighbor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Friendly Neighbor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Mafia Goon

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Goon

.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive "No Result."

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia Roleblocker

Welcome!

You are a

Mafia Roleblocker

.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

You and your partner share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a roleblock in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

[borkjerfkin]

Tips for new players

Introduction and Tips

Thanks to Irrelephant11 and others for their contributions to these tips.

Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)

Key Concepts and Tips

Activity

Try to check in at least once a day.

Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone

plays

. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!

While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!

As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.

That's okay!

Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.

Have fun!

[borkjerfkin]

Role PMs are going out. Game will begin when 8/9 have confirmed.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.0

[9] Not Voting (Battle Mage, ben dover123, Chumbo, clidd, LoneMarkhor, mars, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, Pragdoid, Trendall)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-12 08:30:00)

[ben dover123]

Hello all! Cheers to a good and enjoyable game!

[Trendall]

Hello

[ben dover123]

Where I'm from, artofproblemsolving.com, we use RQS since our profiles do not reveal gender and specific questions like that. Here are some questions I'd like to ask everyone.

1. Is this your first game or do you have past games? Can you link me your best scum and town games if you do have past games? In other words, what games do you want me to metadive you?

2. Favorite role? Favorite alignment?

3. How good are you at scumhunting (self-evaluation), from 1-10?

My answers:

1. I have finished 1 ongoing game, but it is not completed.

2. I like being a Vanilla Townie.

3. Probably a 3-4. I can catch basic tells but nothing extremely complex.

[ben dover123]

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com

Whoops, screwed the url tags. Here is the actual link.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

That site has mafia games on it? I don't really see a link to a forum or anything social on there.

1. Is this your first game or do you have past games? Can you link me your best scum and town games if you do have past games? In other words, what games do you want me to metadive you?

2. Favorite role? Favorite alignment?

3. How good are you at scumhunting (self-evaluation), from 1-10?

1. I've played about 7 games, but I've flaked out of a fair amount of them mafia is hard, okay?
I think I've only finished one scum game so far, and it was this one. I didn't like my play there at all, but by default it's my best. As for town, I'd have to pick Open 793: Trust Fall. Yeah, it's a hydra, but all of my solo games weren't that good, honestly.

2. Haven't played enough Mafia to choose, unfortunately. Roles are hard to come by.

3. Two, maybe a low three at best. Mafia in general just feels like this thing everyone else seems to grasp way easier than I do.

[ben dover123]

If you wanted something more specific, this is the exact forum where all mafia games are held.
https://artofproblemsolving.com/community/c49
Hm. I'll metadive you soon.

[Chumbo]

1. Is this your first game or do you have past games? Can you link me your best scum and town games if you do have past games? In other words, what games do you want me to metadive you?

2. Favorite role? Favorite alignment?

3. How good are you at scumhunting (self-evaluation), from 1-10?

1. This is my first game.
2. I'm not sure, but I think a power role would be fun to have. I also think it would be fun to play as mafia, because you'd have to be sneaky with intentions.
3. Probably not very good.

VOTE: Trendall

[Battle Mage]

Where I'm from, artofproblemsolving.com, we use RQS since our profiles do not reveal gender and specific questions like that. Here are some questions I'd like to ask everyone.

1. Is this your first game or do you have past games? Can you link me your best scum and town games if you do have past games? In other words, what games do you want me to metadive you?

2. Favorite role? Favorite alignment?

3. How good are you at scumhunting (self-evaluation), from 1-10?

My answers:

1. I have finished 1 ongoing game, but it is not completed.

2. I like being a Vanilla Townie.

3. Probably a 3-4. I can catch basic tells but nothing extremely complex.

I like it! good to see newbies breaking out the meta early!

1. I have played before. Best Scumgame: Mini Normal 2130 (I eliminated my teammates early, and despite the Mod confirming in thread that I was scum, I still managed to survive and win ) Best Towngame: Open 784 (I led town to basically a clean sweep of scum elims)

2. Fave Role: In theory, cult leader is cool, although when i actually played it my own cult eliminated me . Fave Alignment: Scum

3. I'm normally either a 2 or an 8, and nothing in between.

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Trendall

[ben dover123]

I probably will soon receive comments asking why I am not voting in RVS, and the reason is as follows:

At the end of the day, RVS votes are fundamentally flawed and all come down to "it was a random vote" and other baseless reasoning like that, which gets you nowhere.

I am also not a fan of trying to force reactions out of people, and I am not the best at it either. People will react to votes or gamestate eventually, so I am going to be patient and wait for such reactions first.

In this early stage I know what to look for in this gamestate and I will intervene and talk with others when I feel necessary.

[Battle Mage]

Ben, how would you like us to proceed then, if nobody votes?

also VOTE: Ben

a bit defensive and passive - not good townie traits

[ben dover123]

Ben, how would you like us to proceed then, if nobody votes?

also VOTE: Ben

a bit defensive and passive - not good townie traits

I'm not saying you should not vote, I'm saying do what you wish in RVS, but I believe that

1. RVS is crucial to start the game off but it is a waste of energy to spend arguing over.

and

2. I need to conserve my energy for bigger issues that lie ahead, such as EoD, PR claims and above all, solving the game.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

Ben, how would you like us to proceed then, if nobody votes?

also VOTE: Ben

a bit defensive and passive - not good townie traits

I'm not saying you should not vote, I'm saying do what you wish in RVS, but I believe that

1. RVS is crucial to start the game off but it is a waste of energy to spend arguing over.

and

2. I need to conserve my energy for bigger issues that lie ahead, such as EoD, PR claims and above all, solving the game.

I don't think "conserve your energy" really applies here? It's only day 1, and there are nights to help you recharge.

[ben dover123]

@above I wish I could say that, but when I tried a proactive playstyle, I wasted a ton of energy on trying to be obvious town and even worse, I got n1'ed.

But, the energy part isn't nearly as important. Point 1 is why I do not want to participate in RVS voting and reaction fishing. For example, I know some people would argue that since I don't want to participate in RVS I want to prolong it and therefore I am scum, which is an

argument, but it is moving the ball in the wrong direction, especially since the reasoning behind the argument is baseless. I believe natural reactions are the best ones to get the ball rolling in the right direction, especially tonereading early on is a way to create some good reads.

[ben dover123]

EBWOP: Dang it, my post formatted in the wrong way. Sorr y if that looks weird, still working on formatting your posts correctly.

Anyways, being too proactive isn't good for anyone, especially me, because I start to lose focus on my reads and who I'm scumreading if I try and be extremely townie. That is the reason why I may look like I'm being conservative D1, and as Battle Mage said, I look a bit passive.

[ben dover123]

Oh, its 14/2 cycles, not 7/2? I'm an idiot. Ah, I can rest easy now that I know deadline isn't our enemy here.

I don't think "conserve your energy" really applies here? It's only day 1, and there are nights to help you recharge.

Whoops, didn't see the second part of your question. IRL nights don't really help me to recharge at all, and N1 isn't for a long while. I doubt I can be proactive for all 14 days anyways.

If there are any other questions, please tell me so I can answer them now before we get to the actual solving and discussion. I expect after RVS there will be a lot of serious discussion going on, any final questions that people

have for me will likely be ignored in the process.

[clidd]

Reading soon.

[borkjerfkin]

It has been brought to my attention that the deadline counter I gave does not match the ruleset. Today should be 10 days long and further days should be seven. I have corrected this. Apologies.

[clidd]

Where I'm from, artofproblemsolving.com, we use RQS since our profiles do not reveal gender and specific questions like that. Here are some questions I'd like to ask everyone.

1. Is this your first game or do you have past games? Can you link me your best scum and town games if you do have past games? In other words, what games do you want me to metadive you?

2. Favorite role? Favorite alignment?

3. How good are you at scumhunting (self-evaluation), from 1-10?

My answers:

1. I have finished 1 ongoing game, but it is not completed.

2. I like being a Vanilla Townie.

3. Probably a 3-4. I can catch basic tells but nothing extremely complex.

1. I started played on newbie 1980, and my last newbiegame was 2020. Idk if I should post my meta here, maybe you will expect something from me that I won't be able to deliver.

2. I don't have a favorite role. What determines whether I'm going to have fun or not is usually the playerlist.

3. I haven't played for months, so currently I imagine that I must be between 3 or 4. Let's see how I'm going to do here.