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[Infinity 324]

I think you make sense as scum no matter who the redirector is.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

That post has nothing to do with your alignment, all it’s saying is that I am not scumbuddies with s_s.

Also how good is your scum game?

Why aren’t you asking that question to a slot that actually has a snowball’s chance in hell at being redirector?



Since you actually do, why don’t you answer that?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Dunn didn’t say who the neighborizer was.

Why do you seem to keep missing the point of nearly all of my posts today? My point obviously is how did he know that that role was in the game?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I mean

You say being inactive is towny for you. I say ok, that may be true in general, but if it’s RL then it’s NAI

and

there are many reasons why scum might want to lurk in this game and not others.

EBWOP, it really doesn’t change my argument.

Okay, I’m starting to get irritated at your continual misrepping of my posting. I won’t respond as long as you continue to do that.

[Infinity 324]

My scumgame is inconsistent. Even at my best though, I’m pretty far outside of my scumrange here I think.

PEdit: obviously dunn was neighborized.

PEdit 2: how is it a misrep?

[Infinity 324]

Is your argument not that lack of engagement is a towntell for you?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I think you make sense as scum no matter who the redirector is.

And I think it’s highly sus that you’re hardpushing me over a slot that could actually be redirector. You’re all over the place, pushing both SS and NM but trying to get me flipped instead. And I don’t understand why you’re pushing NM when no one has CC’d that role?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

My scumgame is inconsistent. Even at my best though, I’m pretty far outside of my scumrange here I think.

PEdit: obviously dunn was neighborized.

PEdit 2: how is it a misrep?

Because you keep misinterpreting the vast majority of my posting today, where I didn’t get that impression yesterday.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Is your argument not that lack of engagement is a towntell for you?

Yes but you were previously saying that I was saying that I’m not also engaged as town when what I clearly said that my activity is meta wise, inconsistent as town. So if you’re actually finally getting it then why do you keep ignoring it.

[Infinity 324]

I think you make sense as scum no matter who the redirector is.

And I think it’s highly sus that you’re hardpushing me over a slot that could actually be redirector. You’re all over the place, pushing both SS and NM but trying to get me flipped instead. And I don’t understand why you’re pushing NM when no one has CC’d that role?

I mean, I already said that the three of you are my solve? My thought process is in the thread. If you have questions, ask. I push the slot I think is most likely to be scum, not the one that I think is redirector specifically.

[Infinity 324]

Is your argument not that lack of engagement is a towntell for you?

Yes but you were previously saying that I was saying that I’m not also engaged as town when what I clearly said that my activity is meta wise, inconsistent as town. So if you’re actually finally getting it then why do you keep ignoring it.

I never denied that lack of engagement is generally a towntell for you. But again:

-RL stuff is NAI
-Lurking in this gamestate specifically can benefit scum

[Hoopla]

@4253 I’m paranoid as hell of the n_m redirector gambit, and you make the most sense as a partner there. I also think you make the most sense as a partner for s_s/dave or just with s_s and n_m. But maybe the most logical thing to do would be to vote s_s. Idk.

after sleeping on it, if that's actually what has happened, i feel like i'm willing to lose the game to that. there's likely at least one low% event that has happened, but to me that seems the least likely of them all.

to me, this angle seems like a waste of time to realistically consider. besides, N_M could always use his neighbouriser tonight (or soak up an NK). so there's a chance this conspiracy self-resolves some of the time.

[Infinity 324]

Fair enough, but it does make me want to elim S&M more. Regardless, I guess that’s not happening today.

Are you still on dave? I feel like dave is town but I’m not sure we can win anyway if dave is town, so I could be convinced to vote there.

[Hoopla]

Fair enough, but it does make me want to elim S&M more. Regardless, I guess that’s not happening today.

Are you still on dave? I feel like dave is town but I’m not sure we can win anyway if dave is town, so I could be convinced to vote there.

i don't see a likely scumteam without him. but as far as i can see, whether we elim him today or tomorrow it's inconsequential as it doesn't inform the 50/50 any further. and to win the game, we need to correctly solve the 50/50 today or tomorrow, so i'd rather solve it today while i am guaranteed to be an influential voice in the matter. i don't trust the town to follow my lead should i be NK'ed tonight.

[Hoopla]

@S&M

who are you leaning towards in SS/infinity?

[Infinity 324]

Hoopla, what do you think of 4218?

I guess I’ll accept losing to absurd neighborizer gambit. Scum deserve the win if that’s the case anyway.

VOTE: s_s

[Hoopla]

Hoopla, what do you think of 4218?

yeah, maybe. but if there's two+ scum in {SS/S&M/BB} it would be impossible for any elimination to go through without their participation.

to have (pretty much) the entire town split on two town wagons that deep in the game is so rare, i don't see why caution would be necessary given how snowed the town would be if this were the case.

but looking back, the stalemate didn't actually last as long as i remembered, so you have a point.

[Infinity 324]

s_s seems like the type of player who would tend towards inaction. Yes caution wasn’t necessary, but neither was action, and maybe they thought the only way they could lose would be to out themselves with scummy votes.

[Hoopla]

s_s seems like the type of player who would tend towards inaction. Yes caution wasn’t necessary, but neither was action, and maybe they thought the only way they could lose would be to out themselves with scummy votes.

you might be right.

going to think on this for another ~24 hours then slap down a vote on this 50/50 before my busy weekend kicks in.

happy to chat with the rest of the cast before then.

[davesaz]

Dunn didn’t say who the neighborizer was.

Why do you seem to keep missing the point of nearly all of my posts today? My point obviously is how did he know that that role was in the game?

He was neighborized. Has that not been mentioned?

[Something_Smart]

I guess I’ll accept losing to absurd neighborizer gambit. Scum deserve the win if that’s the case anyway.

I don't like this argument, because it seems like emotional hedging rather than actual logic. But, I agree that the gambit is unlikely, because it requires so many moving parts.

VOTE: Infinity

[Infinity 324]

It’s more of a way to make it emotionally justify what I know is logically correct anyway.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Fair enough, but it does make me want to elim S&M more. Regardless, I guess that’s not happening today.

Are you still on dave?

I feel like dave is town but I’m not sure we can win anyway if dave is town, so I could be convinced to vote there

.

Lolwut

Are you scum here @Infinity?

[Infinity 324]

No but you’re doing a pretty good job setting up to vote me after nancy called me obvtown.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

@S&M

who are you leaning towards in SS/infinity?

Infinity has been extremely scummy today but I’m still paranoing on SS.

I don’t like the whole redirector paranoia towards NM. I feel that both of them but particularly Infinty has been trying push a confirmed slot as scum redirector. Now Infinty also is okay with us executing a slot he claims to townread. What town ever thinks like that?

Infinity knows we can lose the game if we misexecute so in what world does town!Infinity think that executing a tr in Elo makes an iota of sense?

So, I’m heavily leaning to Infinity rn.

It’s really concerning to me that Infinty has been trying to push both me and NM over SS as well. It almost seems like he only voted SS because mine and NM’s pushback made him realize how scummy his play has been today. I don’t think him and SS are buddies because that would obviously make no sense based on the Peta NK. so I’m extremely worried that SS is town and Infinity is pushing anything: me, NM and now Davez - a slot he claims to tr instead of SS.

And he’s voting SS but trying to convince the rest of us to not vote either one.