Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[Trendall]

Well, reason, whatever.

[clidd]

The problem is that I'm trying to imagine if it makes sense from your perspective, with the information available, to have a fos on me (in a Town!you scenario).

If I am correct, however, and you are mafia, I don't think you will be able to eliminate me today (which is the point where there is no advantage for Scum!you doing this push).

[Trendall]

If it helps, the past three newbie games I've been in I was on a wagon which eliminated mafia day one, two of which were probably started by me on the basis of ostensibly little information. In Newbie 2035 I vote for a player on the basis that they'd presented a meta argument against somebody, but I'd already checked their posts at the beginning of the game and they'd said in other games that 'meta is garbage' and so on, which is just a slam dunk 'this person is mafia', and then the way that player responded to my bringing this up sorta made it clear that I was correct.

So it would make sense from my perspective because I do it all the time.

[LoneMarkhor]

Where I'm from, artofproblemsolving.com, we use RQS since our profiles do not reveal gender and specific questions like that. Here are some questions I'd like to ask everyone.

1. Is this your first game or do you have past games? Can you link me your best scum and town games if you do have past games? In other words, what games do you want me to metadive you?

2. Favorite role? Favorite alignment?

3. How good are you at scumhunting (self-evaluation), from 1-10?

My answers:

1. I have finished 1 ongoing game, but it is not completed.

2. I like being a Vanilla Townie.

3. Probably a 3-4. I can catch basic tells but nothing extremely complex.

Hmmm...
1. This is my first game of forum mafia.I have never played mafia on forums before.

2. I think mafia goon perhaps.

3. No idea.I still have to see.

[clidd]

I'm getting pocket by my sr...

[Trendall]

How do you mean?

[clidd]

You're talking in way that I don't think scum!you would talk.

[clidd]

Ah, I'll take a break.

[Trendall]

How do you think I would talk if I were mafia?

[clidd]

I imagine you being more harsh, in the sense that you would need to convey to others that I was already obvious to you, so nothing I said would matter in the game.

I believe you were more open and transparent when you approached your past games, explaining the credibility of your scumhunting method and connecting with the answer to my question about the authenticity of your perspective on Scum!Clidd.

[ben dover123]

it is just a simple opinion that should not be heavily trifled with.

There's nothing in the way of 'opinion' going on, it's just a turn of phrase that doesn't mean anything in terms of any deeper thinking process.

It is an opinion of terms, I mean. The majority of mafia players do not refer to scum in this way, so I consider it a opinion that some have developed, but whether it is a opinion or a "turn of phrase" as you say, we shall not trifle

with this any longer.

There is no 'omgus', I didn't vote for you because you voted me, I voted for you for the reasons that I stated.

I suspect that since your reasoning behind your post is bad, clidd thinks there is a subtle weave of OMGUS in your vote.

The problem is that I'm trying to imagine if it makes sense from your perspective, with the information available, to have a fos on me (in a Town!you scenario).

If I am correct, however, and you are mafia, I don't think you will be able to eliminate me today (which is the point where there is no advantage for Scum!you doing this push).

I follow this reasoning. It is very hard, even with scum SE's, to eliminate another fellow SE D1, so scum Trendall is making a bad push considering there are many other LHF options to attack.

[Trendall]

I imagine you being more harsh, in the sense that you would need to convey to others that I was already obvious to you, so nothing I said would matter in the game.

Haha it's funny because I do that as town.

It is very hard, even with scum SE's, to eliminate another fellow SE D1, so scum Trendall is making a bad push considering there are many other LHF options to attack.

I have done it before in Newbie 2035. They claimed doctor, had no counterclaim and they still got eliminated day one. But then for me personally I make no distinction whatsoever between the SEs and the other players in this game. I think an 'SE' is somebody who has played five or more games of this, which means nothing.

[Trendall]

clidd, what is your reason for thinking that I'm mafia? Is it still that I said 'hello' or has it evolved since then?

[Trendall]

It is an opinion of terms, I mean. The majority of mafia players do not refer to scum in this way, so I consider it a opinion that some have developed, but whether it is a opinion or a "turn of phrase" as you say, we shall not trifle with this any longer.

We shall, the use of the word 'opinion' here makes no sense whatsoever.

[Trendall]

For example in England we call dogs 'dogs', and in Spain I think they call them 'perros' or 'perras'. This isn't a 'difference of opinion', it's just...not everybody uses the same words.

[clidd]

Tbh, it was more of your initial reaction, which advanced to a "I'm waiting for him to do more scummy things to be absolutely sure and start my tunnel", but in the end it evolved to a "he is acting like towm, I think I understand him".

[Trendall]

Fair

[clidd]

I don't fos you anymore.

VOTE: BM

Time to sort the last SE.

[ben dover123]

For example in England we call dogs 'dogs', and in Spain I think they call them 'perros' or 'perras'. This isn't a 'difference of opinion', it's just...not everybody uses the same words.

I seriously want to have a talk with you, but such a off-topic argument gets in the way quickly and before you know it we are deathtunneling each other.

I imagine you being more harsh, in the sense that you would need to convey to others that I was already obvious to you, so nothing I said would matter in the game.

Haha it's funny because I do that as town.

It is very hard, even with scum SE's, to eliminate another fellow SE D1, so scum Trendall is making a bad push considering there are many other LHF options to attack.

I have done it before in Newbie 2035. They claimed doctor, had no counterclaim and they still got eliminated day one. But then for me personally I make no distinction whatsoever between the SEs and the other players in this game. I think an 'SE' is somebody who has played five or more games of this, which means nothing.

1. ? I don't fully understand. Going to do a bit of motivational analysis to determine where this sentence comes from the majority of the time.

2. Hmph. If you were able to push a SE to be hanged D1, then the chances you are scum become that much higher.

I don't understand why Battle Mage is so inactive, is it part of his playstyle?

Also, looking back I don't understand this either.

Ben, how would you like us to proceed then, if nobody votes?

also VOTE: Ben

a bit defensive and passive - not good townie traits

All I was talking about is why I don't vote in RVS. I can see where the overdefensiveness comes in but the passive part?

[Trendall]

I think somewhere on page three, I remembered that there is a problem with my initial argument in that there's actually very little in common with what I think 'meta' is and what other people think 'meta' is apparently, and then as soon as I remember that then my point is null. I need to think about clidd and have a good night's sleep possibly, but unvotin'.

UNVOTE:

[Trendall]

I seriously want to have a talk with you, but such a off-topic argument gets in the way quickly and before you know it we are deathtunneling each other.

It's not 'off-topic' because the reason it was brought up in the first place was that clidd thought it was an indicator that I was mafia.

[Trendall]

If you were able to push a SE to be hanged D1,

Well, let's have a look at the SEs this game. Two of them when asked how good they are at scumhunting said '3-4 out of 10', and the remaining one said 'how would I know?'

I don't know why people think SEs are these big scary things. It's someone who's played five or more games of this, that's it.

[ben dover123]

I seriously want to have a talk with you, but such a off-topic argument gets in the way quickly and before you know it we are deathtunneling each other.

It's not 'off-topic' because the reason it was brought up in the first place was that clidd thought it was an indicator that I was mafia.

Hm. That was not the way I wanted to put it. "Off on a tangent" is probably a more accurate way to say this tunnel will start on topic but slowly drift away from the thread. Anyways, I do not want to hear this argument again.

I'm reluctant to unvote currently as while clidd has been acting pro-town in general he hasn't done any actions that have completely satisfied me or nullified my vote on him. I still cannot get how he has the wrong definition of

meta and somehow that one sentence sounded rather awkward when I know he is capable of being way more competent. Possibly he is not trying his hardest this game and not putting it firsthand, which I can understand but

still.

@above I was born in a world of Mafia where SE's are considered to teach newbies and be extremely competent. I expect much from SE's and fellow SE's should find it quite hard to try and eliminate a SE on D1. However, you

may be a bold one, and if you believe you can push a SE to get eliminated D1, then my standards for you to be scum are much higher now.

[Trendall]

I don't understand why that would raise the likelihood of my being mafia if it's the case that I don't make any real conscious distinction between SEs and the other players.

[ben dover123]

I don't understand why that would raise the likelihood of my being mafia if it's the case that I don't make any real conscious distinction between SEs and the other players.

Well, it does for me. Let me explain it like this: I usually think scum SE's don't try to eliminate other SE's D1 because they are more competent then say, the LHF's of the game. However, since you admitted that you could possibly push a SE for elimination D1, now your chances of being scum and pushing a clidd elimination are possible.