In post 904, Bell wrote:Maybe I just really like Flea's posting this game and I'm biased tho.
*climbs into Bells pocket*
In post 909, Taly wrote:
i refuse to be LHF this game, ill do stuff soon.
i legit have had 9 hours nonstop of working on assignments, i have 5+ projects/tests due in less than 2 weeks, and as soon as tomorrow.
i also have 2 doctor's appointments tomorrow and Friday because my body is rebelling
i
am
fucked
but yeah, sorry if im a bit ambiguous rn. ill utilize it as a means to gamesolve soon.
*grabby hands*
Nope, can't reach. You're not LHF. Also hope you're ok <3 try not to burn out, drink water and do the self care! (> ^_^ )>
OOOO lemme get popcorn first ◕‿↼
In post 936, Bell wrote:I demand Taly focus on their life instead of playing mafia until such time as they are less preoccupied.
Life should be lived in the moment.
What a lovely platitude.
*Cheers from bells pocket*
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We're still in RVS? o.o
In post 960, Akarin wrote:So I've yet to see an argument for why the game would be designed around tasks being pointless, despite people asserting this to be true.
They're not pointless and should definitely be done as it's a viable wincon, just not the de-facto wincon. Same as in game, you're trying to find the imposters and complete your tasks. It's a viable wincon, not the de-facto wincon and honestly I've rarely seen a game where it's a task win. This is why I'm more skeptical on BM's "HAH no scumhunting required"
In post 966, Akarin wrote:It's frustrating because I feel like people's eyes started glazing over at the mech talk and they just shut their brains down and stopped thinking about it.
People don't like being told how to play their game I guess and want to do their own thing.
On the other hand, I think this is engineering a miselim on LHF using some stretchy reasoning that doesn' require proof. (´･＿･‘)
buddys? I dunno. I don't know either player and this seems like a sloppy play if they are, not sure what I think here. (｡･~･｡)
Agreed, that's just like "HAH you can't say that, because half the game is like that!" In some people it can be tell.
In post 994, Blitzo wrote:You are correct that I am misnumbering - it was 974, not 973.
In post 974, TheGoldenParadox wrote: In post 972, Blitzo wrote:My second thought was that TGP was entirely forgettable.
I might let that develop for a bit and see what happens.
obviously i can't prove this, but i think blitzo wrote this AFTER previewing and faked it so they didn't
Already covered this. Still think 973 is a bit stinky though
In post 999, Gamma Emerald wrote:
no it was a longer one
he said "we nk" in a way that looks like he wrote up the post in the scum PT and left that in accidentally.
Linky?
In post 1004, xRECKONERx wrote: In post 912, SirCakez wrote: In post 732, xRECKONERx wrote:TOWN
titus, gammaem, flea, outworlder*
AT LEAST ONE SCUM
alisae, battlemage, murdercat, pooky, cakez, tgp
SOME BIG NULL PILE SOMEWHERE
dgb, taly, blitzo, haschel
SCUMMY OUTSIDE OF MASSCLAIM BULLSHIT
murdercat, akarin, bell
what the fuck is this readslist
it's a readlist, nice of you to quote it and ask what it is
do you want to like, ask an actual question? or u just makin noise?
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In post 1005, Gamma Emerald wrote:
I think Flea is town
(for the entire post, not just the explicitly quoted part, I just took the top)
In fairness the top is the best part about that post imo
And the upside down face at the bottom
As much as I dislike meta... this is worrying.
This is interesting, and less worrying.
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In post 1032, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:right now im thinking
we do
3 to a room for 5 roomes
2 people solo (they don't say where they go)
if there's a bonus NK it has to be in a room where 2 scum - 1 town were
hence we get a double guilty.
Thoughts?
What if both NKs are in rooms with 2 people in?
In post 1035, Titus wrote:
Can his lurksackness be attributed to real life?
@Gamma, What do you mean by chaotic versus not chaotic?
Me here. Me in Death Curse. Ta-daaaaaa!
Oh wait, about BM. ok.
In post 1043, MURDERCAT wrote:I am guessing there is a lights sabotage that messes with this. But there might also be a sabotage cooldown??
This would be a reasonable expectation. Lights Sab is one of the strongest things in the game so I'd be surprised if it's not in here to mess with us somehow.
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In post 1053, Akarin wrote:Okay, so using the magic of random.org, I did a night where everyone goes to a random room:
Assume 4 Imposters, everyone goes to a random room (Imposters can do better than this)
• Cafeteria: Crew #4
• Weapons: Crew #11, Imposter #4
• Navigation: Crew #6, Crew #12, Imposter #1, Imposter #3
• Shields: Crew #1, Crew #13
• Communications: Crew #3, Crew #7
• Admin: Crew #8
• Electrical: Crew #5, Crew #9
• Security:
• Reactor: Crew #2
• Upper Engine: Crew #10, Imposter #2
Say Crew #10 dies as a bonus kill to Imposter #2, and they use their normal kill on
Crew #11
.
Imposter #2 and Imposter #4 clear each other. Imposters #1 and #3 are cleared by a big group of town.
Crew #4, #8, #2 are suspicious.
Or if they really wanted to NK crew #9, for example, then Crew #5 has no one to vouch for them either, while
one of the Imposters is cleared by town and only 1 is left in a pool of suspicion with 4 townies.
FTFY. Also Imposters 2 and 4 would be under suspicion at that point imo as one of them would have had to kill, meaning neither is clear. Crew 4, 8 and 2 would also be suspect as well.
Ohwait, is this assuming chaos theory and not organised chaos? Never mind, I see your point.
That said, this is a pretty valid point on using chaos. hmm... It also depends on if the rooms get new PTs every night I guess, or if admin or security has MIRA HQ style logs?
In post 1055, MURDERCAT wrote: In post 1053, Akarin wrote:everyone goes to a random room (Imposters can do better than this)
Everyone agrees this is bad though right? We need to at least let the people who want to group, group.
*Grabs Gamma and Catto*
MINE!
In post 1062, Titus wrote: In post 1061, Akarin wrote: In post 1055, MURDERCAT wrote:Everyone agrees this is bad though right? We need to at least let the people who want to group, group.
If it's like 5 people trying to group it's not much different than random is the point.
And no, I'm not sure everyone agrees this is bad. A lot of people keep saying things that make me think they
don't
actually agree this is bad.
Random means we don't accomplish tasks.
I'm not doing random. Period.
No so much random as in we just randomly disperse to an assigned room, more random in that we just all go to a random location based on individual choice. So lets say I head straight to storage for my looongboi task whch s gng t b fn t d - I don't know If anyone else is coming with me or where anyone else is going, and is thus a random distribution.
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In post 1068, Titus wrote: In post 1066, Akarin wrote:Are you just deliberately trying to muddy the water here Titus?
No. I just literally don't understand why you're saying random rooms at all.
That's another player on the "Throw into the infinity portal loop" list.
In post 1079, Titus wrote: In post 1076, Akarin wrote:EBWOP
In post 1053, Akarin wrote:Okay, so using the magic of random.org, I did a night where everyone goes to a random room:
Assume 4 Imposters, everyone goes to a random room (Imposters can do better than this)
• Cafeteria: Crew #4
• Weapons: Crew #11, Imposter #4
• Navigation: Crew #6, Crew #12, Imposter #1, Imposter #3
• Shields: Crew #1, Crew #13
• Communications: Crew #3, Crew #7
• Admin: Crew #8
• Electrical: Crew #5, Crew #9
• Security:
• Reactor: Crew #2
• Upper Engine: Crew #10, Imposter #2
Say Crew #10 dies as a bonus kill to Imposter #2, and they use their normal kill on Crew #11.
Imposter #2 and Imposter #4 clear each other. Imposters #1 and #3 are cleared by a big group of town.
Crew #4, #8, #2 are suspicious.
Or if they really wanted to NK crew #9, for example, then Crew #5 has no one to vouch for them either, while
one of the Imposters is cleared by town and only 1 is left in a pool of suspicion with 4 townies.
This doesn't work as scum only get one edible kill per night so Imposter 2 and 4 cannot clear each other. They'd both have to be in solo rooms to do that.
They claim they were in the same room, clearing for that nights kill. I got there eventually ^_^
In post 1083, Titus wrote:
It is.
We force him to take a task. It auto completes. If he refuses, we kill him.
The task lets us also control what room he goes to. So he's a liability to scum.
This feels like just parroting what's been said earlier... I'm getting the bad jujus from titus... hmmmm
⊙ω⊙
You can have that one.
In post 1093, Akarin wrote:I need to go to sleep, but I just really wanted to hammer this home because I feel like a bunch of people are being unrealistic about the POE chances after a double NK.
And people keep picking at little things without really acknowledging the point I’m trying to make, but I feel like I need to answer those things.
If we just all do tasks willy-nilly,
2 town are going to die every night
and there will
not
be useful POE to figure out who killed them.
In exchange, we avoid giving scum information and we get the tasks done slightly faster. I don't think this is worth it, and I haven't actually seen an argument that it is, beyond vague handwaving and dogmatism.
I think you're fear mongering every so slightly.
I am trying to brain, and doing so badly. 10 rooms, 17 people...
Failing badly, I think relying on the odds is going to place us all in Gamblers Fallacy. It's like 1/20 of any two people being in the same room based on true randomness. Then its another 1/4 chance that the other person in the room with you is imposter.
In post 1104, xRECKONERx wrote:it occurs to me at this point i could just tell you guys im going with the plan and deal w/ the consequences of not doing so tomorrow
im going with the plan
HAH
In post 1106, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:reck if you tell us you are going to room ___ and its got 3 people in it, and then you dont go to room ___ and instead there are 2 people, and one of them is scum, and he gets a bonus kill on town, we r going to lockscum you so you are just hardthrowing atp
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In post 1113, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:look guys i know this is pretty fast for some of you, but the most important question is whether we get everybody's assignments and whether we leash the entire PL to create safety and accountability and information.
Now we KNOW scum get a bonus NK if they get one of us alone in a room with them.
We want to avoid that - my strategy is to claim all rooms, figure out pathing, create accountability and a record of all movement so that we can avoid giving the scum an extra NK without them revealing to us exactly who is responsible.
If there's if we have Room A(3people) and Room B(3 people) - and 1 person from each room dies at night that means a double guilty in room A or B.
I don't want scum to get free NKs on us.
Now reck/outworld and some other folks believe its better if there is a fog of war and we can't see where everyone is going.
Their argument for this is "Well the mod must have accounted for this so it must be bad"
Like if the mod tells you that mafia get a bonus NK if they get in a room alone with you, why the heck would you not take steps to try to prevent this!?
like it just seems very silly to me for us to wander around alone and hope mafia dont find us when they spread out hunting.
We're not going to get everyones assignments, there's like 4 or 5 players against this plan.
Do you have a compromise idea? because you know, some of us are compromised at this point.
In post 1115, xRECKONERx wrote: In post 1113, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:look guys i know this is pretty fast for some of you, but the most important question is whether we get everybody's assignments and whether we leash the entire PL to create safety and accountability and information.
Now we KNOW scum get a bonus NK if they get one of us alone in a room with them.
We want to avoid that - my strategy is to claim all rooms, figure out pathing, create accountability and a record of all movement so that we can avoid giving the scum an extra NK without them revealing to us exactly who is responsible.
If there's if we have Room A(3people) and Room B(3 people) - and 1 person from each room dies at night that means a double guilty in room A or B.
I don't want scum to get free NKs on us.
Now reck/outworld and some other folks believe its better if there is a fog of war and we can't see where everyone is going.
Their argument for this is "Well the mod must have accounted for this so it must be bad"
Like if the mod tells you that mafia get a bonus NK if they get in a room alone with you, why the heck would you not take steps to try to prevent this!?
like it just seems very silly to me for us to wander around alone and hope mafia dont find us when they spread out hunting.
how many times do i need to reiterate that the mod wouldnt fucking tell us what scum's secret mechanics are to fuck with rooms
imagine this: scum have an ability to move someone out of a room against their will
we sort people into rooms of 3
we also tell scum what fucking groups we're sending to each location
scum use an ability to move someone out of a room, then use a vent to go over and kill them bc they know where they're going to be
now we come back, we had two kills anyway, we're suspicious of the person(people) that were supposed to be in a room with the kill target, and all we've done is tell scum exactly where we'll be, how many tasks each of us has, and where we have to do them
like for one fucking second take a moment to assume that just bc we know "scum can kill in rooms alone with people" doesn't mean "and yep that's it that's the extent of the mechanic now have fun gamesolving"
This is legit. I had not thought this through that far.
Game balance would probably limit how often it could be done.
In post 1120, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote: In post 1119, Haschel Cedricson wrote:I signed up to play a Mafia game, not solve a logic puzzle. And in my experience people who want the town to focus on the logic puzzle instead of the Mafia game tend to be scum.
The rules for this game were posted in the signup thread
you knew this was going to be a mech heavy setup involving town planning of night actions.
I signed up because I was excited af to figure out ways to complete tasks while limiting our NK exposure.
I absolutely hate this line because it seems to assume that we are just going to ignore the tasks altogether and play hunt the bad guys
in that case we might as well all be in the cafeteria every night if we are going to just ignore the entire night action part of the game.
Different people play the game differently ^_^ I like the hunty aspect of the game. Mechanics are just an added bonus.
In post 1125, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Alright that was a lot of pages and surprisingly little substance.
A few notes.
Flea asks if I was joking about Pooky Sus or not. I was not joking.
In post 730, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 274, Haschel Cedricson wrote: In post 270, Flea The Magician wrote: In post 250, Haschel Cedricson wrote: In post 224, Flea The Magician wrote:So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.
O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?
...
What good can
possibly
come from this line of discussion?
People were asking, and I know some people enjoy setup spec.
Oh well if they enjoy it then I guess that's okay no wait the opposite of that.
Drops this like it's a bad fart, and promptly leaves. No contribution, no commitment, just ε=(｡◕ฺˇд ˇ◕ฺ｡）
Why did I not follow up on a conversation about a topic not being a great thing to talk about? It is a mystery.
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In post 1127, Taly wrote:flea
, you are much more upfront with POV, kind of hard to navigate and get to the meat of your posting, and you take so much initiative here that I don't know how genuine that is.
Faster moving game, more players {](^_^)[} More for me to comment on, and less for me to death tunnel on here
Also there's a LOT less emotional play going on lol.
But I'll take it.
