Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Akarin]

I was like one of the first people to claim

and?

[Akarin]

its basically a shot in the dark if scum get their bonus NK without any accountability.

It's not just a shot in the dark. At the current level of claims it's actually incredibly likely that scum get the bonus NK with no accountability.

If it was just Reck it wouldn't be so bad.

[MURDERCAT]

Can't we reconstruct that knowledge from the hoods though? I'm not convinced that knowing it in advance changes anything in that regard.

[Akarin]

Can't we reconstruct that knowledge from the hoods though? I'm not convinced that knowing it in advance changes anything in that regard.

So show me where I'm wrong then.

I thought I demonstrated pretty clearly why you can't reconstruct it from the hoods.

[Titus]

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

[MURDERCAT]

I was like one of the first people to claim

and?

And you are acting like I am tip toeing when I have clearly been in favor of claiming the whole time. Have you even claimed your rooms yet? What I'm not convinced of is that we know enough about the setup to force others to agree, because basically the only way to do this is to threaten to vote them out otherwise. I think that not wanting share info is a reasonable position a townie might have and so I'm not in favor of voting people out if they don't comply. And if we aren't willing to do that then there is no way to actually get people to group how we want.

[MURDERCAT]

So show me where I'm wrong then.

I thought I demonstrated pretty clearly why you can't reconstruct it from the hoods.

I would have to look again assuming that around half to 3/4 of town is actually grouped. I agree random is bad.

[Akarin]

And you are acting like I am tip toeing when I have clearly been in favor of claiming the whole time. Have you even claimed your rooms yet? What I'm not convinced of is that we know enough about the setup to force others to agree, because basically the only way to do this is to threaten to vote them out otherwise. I think that not wanting share info is a reasonable position a townie might have and so I'm not in favor of voting people out if they don't comply. And if we aren't willing to do that then there is no way to actually get people to group how we want.

Because you are tip toeing around taking a stance that could upset anyone, or pressure anyone into doing things that are good for town.

You basically agree it's good for town, but then don't care if people do it at all. And then undermine that point with bad arguments that have already been made and debunked except no one wants to talk about it except to reiterate bad points.

And I've explained why I'm holding off on claiming my rooms and why I'm a special case (the repeat thing). I think anyone else with the same setup should likewise hold off until more people claim for the same reason, but it seems pretty uncommon.

And trying to point out that people are being anti-town is a good thing to do, it's not just don't-talk-about-it-but-vote-out-Reck.

It's a reasonable kneejerk reaction but most people don't seem to be presenting any actual reasoning beyond that initial knee-jerk.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think we need to start eliming in the no room claim pool


we can probly hit bad guys

and if they're townies we were never going to win this game

VOTE: Reck

my tolerance for gamethrowing is gone

[Akarin]

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

Who's still in RVS?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if reck flips red here it proves our no-elim plan can probly win the game

[Battle Mage]

I'm not voting BM?
If you mean others, I think they are unfamiliar with him. He has a...unique playstyle

at that stage, i had 4 votes, 2 from players who should be somewhat familiar with me.

Cakez has been defending bm

about time!

SIGH

I wasn't at any point suggesting going to random rooms.

The assumption of random is that everyone just doing one of their tasks amounts to random rooms, assuming roughly equal distribution of tasks among the rooms.

Except it doesn't. For instance, Alisae has two tasks. One takes her to electrical the other to another room. By actively selecting electrical, we force a room of three (assuming BM lives).

That's a strong reason for BM to live. He has to try and complete his one task and can have another passed off to him from the dead corpse. It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

thanks Titus!

It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.

Not if he's scum????

It is.

We force him to take a task. It auto completes. If he refuses, we kill him.

The task lets us also control what room he goes to. So he's a liability to scum.

eh wtf? I'm town!!

wait r we going to compete to see who has the worst post restriction

i got one that makes me post in rhyming couplets

i dont even know what rhyming couplets are.

just stay alert
don't drop your guard
you might get hurt
if i tunnel you hard

this is rather wrong
it's much like a song
each odd and even line
must have a rhyme to be fine

I like it

I need to go to sleep, but I just really wanted to hammer this home because I feel like a bunch of people are being unrealistic about the POE chances after a double NK.

And people keep picking at little things without really acknowledging the point I’m trying to make, but I feel like I need to answer those things.

If we just all do tasks willy-nilly,

2 town are going to die every night

and there will

not

be useful POE to figure out who killed them.

In exchange, we avoid giving scum information and we get the tasks done slightly faster. I don't think this is worth it, and I haven't actually seen an argument that it is, beyond vague handwaving and dogmatism.

I agree with you.

[Battle Mage]

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

preach

[Akarin]

Pooky, why Reck over Haschel?

[Battle Mage]

i think we need to start eliming in the no room claim pool


we can probly hit bad guys

and if they're townies we were never going to win this game

VOTE: Reck

my tolerance for gamethrowing is gone

i'm sympathetic to this. Looking back at Pooky-logic vs Reck-logic, I still think the former is a better bet.

[Thestatusquo]

VoteCount 1.32

Battle Mage [4]

OutWorldER flea the magician DrippingGoofball blitzo

No Elim [2]

sircakez titus

titus[2]

bell haschel cedricson

xRECKONERx [2]

Gamma Emerald pookythemagicalbear

Haschel Cedricson [1]

alisae

blitzo [1]

thegoldenparadox

murdercat [1]

akarin

flea the magician [1]

Battle Mage

Alisae [1]

xRECKONERx

Bell [1]

murdercat

Not Voting [1]

taly

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

[MURDERCAT]

i think we need to start eliming in the no room claim pool


we can probly hit bad guys

and if they're townies we were never going to win this game

VOTE: Reck

my tolerance for gamethrowing is gone

If we were going to do this I think that Reck is the least likely to hit scum. HC is better IMO

[MURDERCAT]

if reck flips red here it proves our no-elim plan can probly win the game

And if he's green you think .. what?
Like I don't think 2 kills tonight is that bad considering I think we will get info from the kill and it is basically the same as miselim > normal kill.

[Battle Mage]

Spoiler: Quote

Taly is by far my strongest townread for being the person who is visibly doing the most scumhunting.

This wasn't on the list of things I think I'd read upon my lazy half-ass skim But I'll take it.

Flea/OWER/Murder

, you all have very different vibes than in https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84987 where I was scum hydra with

Ali

wolfing on all of you townies

flea

, you are much more upfront with POV, kind of hard to navigate and get to the meat of your posting, and you take so much initiative here that I don't know how genuine that is.

OWER

, your dog pic is really fucking cute and that probably contributes to the pocket, can you give me an in depth take on

BM/Ali/Pooky

? You are far more active in pushing your ideas than the linked game above.

Murder

, WHERE YOU AT? methinks I skim over you so much that you are an assassin meant to kill us all quietly... but tbh I sympathize, I think I'd be FAR less

"not-on-the-radar"

if people took the time to read me more.

I stand by

Bell/Ali/Pooky/Reck/OWER/Gamma

town

TENTATIVELY

. I want to reread them as well as

BM/Murder/Flea

before I double-down 100%.

If I can make a solid towncore with at LEAST 6-7 people AND find a vote this dayphase, I'd be golden with solving in the future.

DG

;3 I'll vote soon, I never disappoint.

also who is

Blitzo

? i demand everybody who reads this post to say

"

Blitzo

is town/scum/?"

so I can gauge how many wagons this gamestate actually wants to have...

BM's play is far different from what I remember in the game I played with him, where was very active in engaging other people and wasn't really a passive fluff-poster like he is here. Especially given there's a lot of contradictions in his play so far. (Compare 111 to 129, 75 and 153). Other posts like 198 and such ping me.

I can understand that. It's a much different game as I've already said. Larger player list, more mech-heavy. I tend to be more influential in smaller games (for obvious reasons). I can't speak to contradictions without you giving me some quotes.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky, why Reck over Haschel?

haschel would make a fine example as well

i dont really care at this point lol

[MURDERCAT]

This assumes we no elim of course. Also everyone who doesn't claim is more likely to be a bonus kill tonight so we can get the same result without risking 3 dead town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like the counterargument to the plan of "we cant let the scum know where we are" doesnt make sense when half the player list has already claimed their locations.

[Battle Mage]

I like Akarin and TGP for town. Seems like we're getting somewhere.

Murdercat, to answer your Q, I'm not a big mechguy

[OutWorldER]

Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.

This is an attitude I see both you and BM spouting and it's just like:

People have solid reads, wagons are being started, people are pushing.

Were also only 3 days into deadline.

How the fuck does this possibly feel like RVS? Why are you so quick to end the day; even if your going with Pooky's plan, there's still a lack of claims so ending the day early with a No Elim vote would be awful?

[Thestatusquo]

boop