Silent Star 3: Royalty

[Dunnstral]

More deflecting

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

More nonsense

[Dunnstral]

I don’t think it’s Pooky because of something he said that slightly town pinged me and I know you’re hard tr him anyway.

What did he say?

[skitter30]

did i miss anything other than us trying (and failing) to vote out the mod?
i think ti's time for us to start working on wagons. i am interested in neither dunn nor pooky atm

Did you find any Dunn games that you can link to where he’s playing similarly to here? Although I did like his most recents posts. Can you lay out your case on Hopkirk?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=81560
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=79344
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=80162

i hate hopkirk's me/gloria progression from way back when
and his current dunn/me take
and honestly a large part of it is pov tbh

this is where i'm at:

townreading: gloria, jessie, infinity, flea
lesser level townread: pooky, dunn, mt, ydrasse

i'm townreading way too many people and am kinda fine voting anybody that i'm not (i.e. hopkirk/gypyx). i'm also fine voting isis but i imagine that that's not gonna be going anywhere just now
i don't know how to resolve the too many townreads

and i'm sorry for my absence, i'm not super vibing this one and i would like to get back into it
is there anything anybody would like to talk to me abt?

pedit stop that isn't helpful
i don't think we should vote out either of u

[skitter30]

Who is the other? any reasoning at all? vibe check fail? just don't like them?

the other is hopkirk. like the calling people scummy thing felt maybe relevant to me, the way pooky was pushing gypyx felt off, didn't like the way the game diversion happened, but all of that i have commented along the way so it feels strange to me that you're like, oh, why? when i voted when push to vote and that's all there, i guess

also, i quite like pooky. asking me that feels ... but eh

can we do hopkirk ?

[skitter30]

i'm aware i'm not hammered btw, i'm just surprised i'm in a game full of people i've played with a lot recently who seem to have... 0 ability to read me

and there's nothing i like about skitter still VOTE: skitter30 or dunn. but nobody seems to care w/e

happy to see more hopkirk votes
and this is a bad reaction to that wagon

[Infinity 324]

Solid town: isis, flea, ydrasse, dunn, jessie
Town ig: pooky, skitter, gloria, MT
Town because I want to trust TGP's read on him but should probably be in the PoE: gypyx
I got a few townvibes: hopkirk

So you're townreading everyone?

Correct.

[team rocket queen]

can we do hopkirk ?

VOTE: hopkirk

is there anything anybody would like to talk to me abt?

could you talk to me about your infinity read. like i know you interacted with him a bit earlier and said he was obvtown, and pre-thegoldenparadox elimination i would have agreed, but these:

Spoiler:

It’s more that scum would almost never vote dunn in that situation, and statistically there’s very likely at least one scum on that wagon (of 5 at its height, I believe)

Statistically, scum is far more likely to be on TOWN!TGP wagon, since there was heavy resistance to Dunn. Why would scum try to derail a wagon on TGP? That makes absolutely no sense.

The probability of a given set of 4 people currently alive having at least 1 scum (assuming 3 scum total) is about 75%. If dunn is scum, scum are just as likely to vote dunn or TGP since it doesn’t matter to them who gets limmed. If dunn is scum, scum would almost never vote dunn. Since 4 people excluding myself voted dunn, that group is likely to have at least 1 scum, so dunn is likely town.

Also yeah, there was almost no resistance to dunn.

It’s more that scum would almost never vote dunn in that situation, and statistically there’s very likely at least one scum on that wagon (of 5 at its height, I believe)

I think we’re talking past each other so let’s work through this.

We have 4 possibilities:
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is scum: we both agree this is unlikely
There was at least 1 scum on dunn and dunn is town: I think this is the most likely scenario
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is scum: you think this is the most likely scenario, but I’m not convinced; it requires 4 players other than me to all be town, which is unlikely just by probability
There was no scum on dunn and dunn is town: also a possibility but unlikely by probability

You might be right that the act of voting dunn when town!TGP is getting run up is more likely to come from town, but the point still stands that a group of 4 players (fmpov) is likely to have 1 scum without mechanical evidence.

Solid town: isis, flea, ydrasse, dunn, jessie
Town ig: pooky, skitter, gloria, MT
Town because I want to trust TGP's read on him but should probably be in the PoE: gypyx
I got a few townvibes: hopkirk

Given my readslist, who do you think would be a better candidate for me to vote, besides maybe gypyx?

all feel like posts i would make as mafia.

pedit: oh hi

[skitter30]

i think he's trying super hard to solve the game, to prevent it from stalling, to getitn gpeople to work together (even in 1658 you see that, he's trying to explain his pov so that he can come to some sort of consensus with other people)

he's just posting the right thinigs at the right time imo. i can pull up some good posts if u like

and like i kinda majorly empathize with 1943 as i feel v similar

[team rocket queen]

to getitn gpeople to work together (even in 1658 you see that, he's trying to explain his pov so that he can come to some sort of consensus with other people)

oh you think that, or like when he said flea and i were town v town is towny? hmhm

[skitter30]

sorry, i'm not sure what you're referring to

[team rocket queen]

sorry, i'm not sure what you're referring to

like the, 'i think we are talking past eachother' bit or when it felt like infinity was like, mediating here:

I’m pretty sure this is T/T

i'm asking if that seems towny to you? because both of those seemed - to me

[Gloria Cleary]

erm....

i need to read their content but i'm worried that like, my impressions of them are based entirely on enthusiasm rather than content?

Oh, sorry if I misunderstood.

[skitter30]

sorry, i'm not sure what you're referring to

like the, 'i think we are talking past eachother' bit or when it felt like infinity was like, mediating here:

I’m pretty sure this is T/T

i'm asking if that seems towny to you? because both of those seemed - to me

right i was like 92% sure i actually saw that but couldn't find it when you asked so wasn't sure. yeah that too, i agree

[Gloria Cleary]

I don’t think it’s Pooky because of something he said that slightly town pinged me and I know you’re hard tr him anyway.

What did he say?

I’m trying to decide if it’s something he does more likely as town than scum but I will need to metadive him to be sure but I think it is. I want to hear more from him along the lines I’m referring to but what I will tell you is that he did this thing a lot in Death Curse but not in Hideyoshi. And if I say exactly what it is, he might replicate it in his scumgames. If he does wind up flipping scum then I’ll obviously just throw that tell out the window.

[team rocket queen]

right i was like 92% sure i actually saw that but couldn't find it when you asked so wasn't sure. yeah that too, i agree

i guess i don't have enough of a mental sample to weigh the mediation stuff. like i know for the communication things if it was the other way, like infinity rewording something gloria had said in an attempt to understand that is more likely to come from town, but infinity rewording infinity idk and the i think this is t/t i think kinda not alignment indicative but i did appreciate infinity trying to explain things to me earlier just the probability stuff and the readslist feel so much like things i do as mafia to me

[Gloria Cleary]

right i was like 92% sure i actually saw that but couldn't find it when you asked so wasn't sure. yeah that too, i agree

i guess i don't have enough of a mental sample to weigh the mediation stuff. like i know for the communication things if it was the other way, like infinity rewording something gloria had said in an attempt to understand that is more likely to come from town, but infinity rewording infinity idk and the i think this is t/t i think kinda not alignment indicative but i did appreciate infinity trying to explain things to me earlier just the probability stuff and the readslist feel so much like things i do as mafia to me

Well Idk but it is true that if you hedge on every wagon than it doesn’t look bad on you when they flip green and I could see his play as being really deraily because he has I think flipflopped on reads more than anyone else in the playerlist.

The counter to this is what Flea said about us all being lost, so there’s that. I don’t understand why Skitter as him as his #1 tr though because I have gone back and forth on him a few times in this game. For now, I still lean town on him but one of my weaker towns.

[team rocket queen]

UNVOTE:

[team rocket queen]

Solid town: isis, flea, ydrasse, dunn, jessie
Town ig: pooky, skitter, gloria, MT
Town because I want to trust TGP's read on him but should probably be in the PoE: gypyx
I got a few townvibes: hopkirk

townreading: gloria, jessie, infinity, flea
lesser level townread: pooky, dunn, mt, ydrasse

unlisted(jessie edit): gypyx, hopkirk, isis

does this make sense?:

Solid town: isis,

flea, ydrasse, dunn, jessie

Town ig: pooky, skitter,

gloria,

MT
Town because I want to trust TGP's read on him but should probably be in the PoE:

gypyx

I got a few townvibes:

hopkirk

townreading:

gloria, jessie

, infinity,

flea

lesser level townread: pooky,

dunn

, mt,

ydrasse

unlisted(jessie edit):

gypyx

,

hopkirk

, isis

i feel like this makes sense.

[skitter30]

right i was like 92% sure i actually saw that but couldn't find it when you asked so wasn't sure. yeah that too, i agree

i guess i don't have enough of a mental sample to weigh the mediation stuff. like i know for the communication things if it was the other way, like infinity rewording something gloria had said in an attempt to understand that is more likely to come from town, but infinity rewording infinity idk and the i think this is t/t i think kinda not alignment indicative but i did appreciate infinity trying to explain things to me earlier just the probability stuff and the readslist feel so much like things i do as mafia to me

so i've never seen his scumgame but like ... it just feels like a super town-oriented appraoch to the thread to me (this and everything that i listed above ^)

[skitter30]

i'm not sure what you're asking with the readslist
and why did you unvote?

[team rocket queen]

i feel like this makes sense.

but it makes bad assumptions from the readslists. and isn't really useful for right now because they could also simply be right about hopkirk. hmhm.

[team rocket queen]

i'm not sure what you're asking with the readslist
and why did you unvote?

i unvoted because it feels like there is a split that i think would have overlap if the people involved were all town. like i'm pretty confident on town!dunnstral, and pooky is hardpushing dunnstral, and you and infinity are listing hopkirk as the main mafia to each of you, and all three of you have made it clear gypyx is your fault back, like there is a weird convergence on gypyx and no crossing otherwise?

[team rocket queen]

fault back

*fallback

[skitter30]

i'm not sure what you're asking with the readslist
and why did you unvote?

i unvoted because it feels like there is a split that i think would have overlap if the people involved were all town. like i'm pretty confident on town!dunnstral, and pooky is hardpushing dunnstral, and you and infinity are listing hopkirk as the main mafia to each of you, and all three of you have made it clear gypyx is your fault back, like there is a weird convergence on gypyx and no crossing otherwise?

i'm not sure i'm following ur logic sorry