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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:33 pm

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my view on prism is that they have a fairly unique/different approach to the game.

there's some things in particular they really care about:

- making sure they understand the arguments their opponent/person they're arguing with is making
- making sure that the person they're arguing with understand *their* pov
- and that in order to sort out/resolve/hash out conflicts in the gamestate, gladiates are useful/important no matter how unpleasant it might be for the game overall and prism themself (this undercurrent runs through *many* of their posts)

i don't think they're being pedantic when they're quibbiling with peta and bork, i think that this is something they really care abt, and it's super important to them in order for them to be able to process/sort the game and for the game to 'move on' so to speak.
viewed in that light, their scumread of peta, myself, and bork all make sense, as does their insistence on this gladiate.

like at some point a lightbulb went off for me, where their whole pov started making sense to me, and once i got it, i was able to understand what they were doing and it makes sense as a motivator for their actions. like earlier, i disliked their snap bork vote, but once i kinda put together their approach to the game, it makes sense and is in line with that whole pov, so in retrospect it's fine
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:35 pm

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See, I like that post. Maybe last scum is spooky or Elements.
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:35 pm

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In post 1973, fferyllt wrote:It was part of why I was scumreading you earlier. You eventually did some stuff here, in this game that I do like for town.
out of curiosity, where do u think i started doing things?
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:36 pm

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In post 1976, notscience wrote:See, I like that post. Maybe last scum is spooky or Elements.
i may have mentioned once or twice that i'm being lazy
but like it's all there and i can elaborate on most things ^
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:40 pm

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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:41 pm

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In post 1906, fferyllt wrote:
In post 865, petapan wrote:i think you're just jealous we don't have a complicated meta dance like the cool kids in this game
Don't know if it's usual for you, but I feel like there's definitely a dance happening here, it just doesn't seem to resolve.
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:48 pm

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In post 1976, notscience wrote:See, I like that post. Maybe last scum is spooky or Elements.
Care to elaborate as to why?
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:48 pm

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Because that’s how PoE works?
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:48 pm

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Holy scummoning, batman. You get this rich meaty chunk of posts and THAT is your first commentary?
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:49 pm

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oh it was poe
I just saw my name and got excited
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:52 pm

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Where do you stand with everyone and why?
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:54 pm

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In post 1985, notscience wrote:Where do you stand with everyone and why?
See my last read list, I've been reading the more recent stuff but not particularly thinking about it.
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:55 pm

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In post 1977, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1973, fferyllt wrote:It was part of why I was scumreading you earlier. You eventually did some stuff here, in this game that I do like for town.
out of curiosity, where do u think i started doing things?
You're reading that wrong. I'm not saying that you didn't do things earlier in the game. You did, I just wasn't getting a lot of townpings from it. Initially my read weakened due to your reaction to being at the bottom of my reads list, especially when you finally explained why you'd been scumreading me. Since then, I've really liked your stance on Prism and on your concerns about Prism/Bork becoming a 1v1.
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:55 pm

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Your reads haven’t changed in the last 1000 posts?
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:56 pm

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I haven't thought about it
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:58 pm

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Why?
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:03 pm

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In post 1975, skitter30 wrote:@notsci

my view on prism is that they have a fairly unique/different approach to the game.

there's some things in particular they really care about:

- making sure they understand the arguments their opponent/person they're arguing with is making
- making sure that the person they're arguing with understand *their* pov
- and that in order to sort out/resolve/hash out conflicts in the gamestate, gladiates are useful/important no matter how unpleasant it might be for the game overall and prism themself (this undercurrent runs through *many* of their posts)

i don't think they're being pedantic when they're quibbiling with peta and bork, i think that this is something they really care abt, and it's super important to them in order for them to be able to process/sort the game and for the game to 'move on' so to speak.
viewed in that light, their scumread of peta, myself, and bork all make sense, as does their insistence on this gladiate.

like at some point a lightbulb went off for me, where their whole pov started making sense to me, and once i got it, i was able to understand what they were doing and it makes sense as a motivator for their actions. like earlier, i disliked their snap bork vote, but once i kinda put together their approach to the game, it makes sense and is in line with that whole pov, so in retrospect it's fine
mid-data review of bork, and i do feel like this is basically the root of the whole fight to begin with, prism makes an assessment of elements's play as bold for scum, bork comes in disagreeing from a theoretical perspective in the infamous 239, prism takes it as a discredit and blows the hell up, but really it's just fundamentally different ideas about the game. for what it's worth my own theoretical view is much closer to bork's - i think a significant number of players will opt to simply "go with the flow" as scum, so to speak, and avoid picking fights with strong, active voices, who they will townread because of perceived optics. i instinctively townread the way bork reacts with a big ol' WTF to what he's being hit with even though that would probably be genuine as either alignment, but it can't be helped.
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:06 pm

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I just haven't
I've been doing and thinking about other stuff
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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:07 pm

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In post 1992, Elements wrote:
I just haven't
I've been doing and thinking about other stuff
I'm on the edge of my seat. Go on.
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:08 pm

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For some reason I'm still awake, I have a lot to say in the morning to both skitter and peta later about those perspectives which are mostly right

but peta's last sentence is outright scumclaiming

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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:09 pm

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In post 1991, petapan wrote:i instinctively townread the way bork reacts with a big ol' WTF to what he's being hit with even though that would probably be genuine as either alignment,
but it can't be helped.
I am hardcalling bullshit that he feels this way, this is instinctive fake nuance garbage
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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:09 pm

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In post 1993, Cabd wrote:
In post 1992, Elements wrote:
I just haven't
I've been doing and thinking about other stuff
I'm on the edge of my seat. Go on.
It's a townie response, I don't need to know anything else.
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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:10 pm

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Cabd we might have a Noraa/Spiffeh decision to make here shortly with no Nacho to stand in our way
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:11 pm

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In post 1995, Prism wrote:
In post 1991, petapan wrote:i instinctively townread the way bork reacts with a big ol' WTF to what he's being hit with even though that would probably be genuine as either alignment,
but it can't be helped.
I am hardcalling bullshit that he feels this way, this is instinctive fake nuance garbage
I'm going to need the long hand version of this to be convinced.
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:15 pm

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In post 1997, notscience wrote:Cabd we might have a Noraa/Spiffeh decision to make here shortly with no Nacho to stand in our way
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