Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[Battle Mage]

my early takes are Clidd is scum, and Ben is town. full catch up and assessment to follow after the weekend.

[ben dover123]

I'm VLA for weekend

You have been afk long enough to get prodded (about 37 hours), and now you go VLA without offering anything? I don't like this at all.

I don't think 37 hours is enough for a prod in a newbie game. I just accidentally ended up in too many games and real life got busy.

I'll be back in the mix well before deadline.

This is understandable. 2040 just ended, and wow that game was hella tense.

my early takes are Clidd is scum, and Ben is town. full catch up and assessment to follow after the weekend.

Ok, I can't wait to hear what you have to say about the clidd take

[clidd]

I don't know how to read Chumbo yet, considering that his pov is nothing special and can be attributed to both alignments.

I was more interested in NotAJumbleOfNumbers' reaction to my vote, but I feel like I'm going to have to engage him to talk to me.

[clidd]

Posts 109 and 110 dripped me in the sense that he seemed withdrawn and not very committed to solving Ben's alignment, something I can theorize more in a newbie!Scum scenario.

Preferably, I want to know what his opinion is in relation to all events that have already occurred in the game. (@Jumble, when you get back, I want you to answer that <<)

[clidd]

my early takes are Clidd is scum, and Ben is town. full catch up and assessment to follow after the weekend.

Hum.

This is NAI coming from you, so I'm looking forward to see your reads.

[Pragdoid]

I'm sorry about my inactivity, I wasn't expecting the game to move as quickly as it has. And from my pov the game started wednesday night, so I didn't think missing 1 full day would be as detrimental as it has been.

I am going to do a full re-read tomorrow morning, but my preliminary reads are that Ben and Chumbo are the most likely town, based on Ben's proactiveness and well thought out reasoning, as well as his change of stance on Chumbo. My view on Chumbo is similar to his, I think he was genuine in his read of Ben. Trendall I could go either way on. clidd gives a a bit of a scumread, but this is entirely based on gut alone. Everyone else hasn't posted enough to get any kind of read on.

I will do my best to get back to anyone's questions tonight if they ask any, but with the weekend here I should be more active.

[clidd]

Pragdoid, what do you think about my early 1v1 with Trendall? it changes something about your read on Trendall?

[Pragdoid]

VOTE: Trendall

There is a tell for ''hello'' without vote.

clidd is first mafia on the basis that he supposed loves to use meta, but didn't check back to see if this is just something I commonly do and instead thinks it's like a generalised 'tell'. These two lines of thinking aren't compatible with each other so mafia.

VOTE: clidd

I don't think there is a tell for "hello" that confirms that someone is a mafia.

And I feel like you're doing mental gymnastics by assuming that I "love" using meta (I never said I do, only that I used it in the past often), as well as ignoring the context of me being away from the site and the influence that would have in the way I'm playing.

Honestly your earlier interactions with Trendall only strengthens my slight scumread on you. In this series of interactions you claim that there is a tell for "hello" without a vote, he responds with what looked like an omgus vote to me, and then you contradict yourself with your response, claiming that you don't think there is a tell for "hello". So which is it? I need to re-read the thread completely when I have a clearer head, but this seems disingenuous to me. Also, your take on Trendall saying "first mafia" seemed like you were grasping at straws.

[ben dover123]

Honestly your earlier interactions with Trendall only strengthens my slight scumread on you. In this series of interactions you claim that there is a tell for "hello" without a vote, he responds with what looked like an omgus vote to me, and then you contradict yourself with your response, claiming that you don't think there is a tell for "hello". So which is it? I need to re-read the thread completely when I have a clearer head, but this seems disingenuous to me. Also, your take on Trendall saying "first mafia" seemed like you were grasping at straws.

I'm not sure what to make of clidd yet, but I know that in his town games he basically obvtowns really hard, just a note to keep for later.

Wait woah there is a contradiction! clidd, explain yourself.

Ok, I'm rereading now. I can't believe I missed that.

[clidd]

Honestly your earlier interactions with Trendall only strengthens my slight scumread on you. In this series of interactions you claim that there is a tell for "hello" without a vote, he responds with what looked like an omgus vote to me, and then you contradict yourself with your response, claiming that you don't think there is a tell for "hello". So which is it? I need to re-read the thread completely when I have a clearer head, but this seems disingenuous to me. Also, your take on Trendall saying "first mafia" seemed like you were grasping at straws.

The ''hello'' tell and the observation of "first mafia" were both attempts to provoke a reaction, not necessarily being a serious opinion about him.

I don't understand how you associated this with malicious behavior.

[clidd]

Honestly your earlier interactions with Trendall only strengthens my slight scumread on you. In this series of interactions you claim that there is a tell for "hello" without a vote, he responds with what looked like an omgus vote to me, and then you contradict yourself with your response, claiming that you don't think there is a tell for "hello". So which is it? I need to re-read the thread completely when I have a clearer head, but this seems disingenuous to me. Also, your take on Trendall saying "first mafia" seemed like you were grasping at straws.

I'm not sure what to make of clidd yet, but I know that in his town games he basically obvtowns really hard, just a note to keep for later.

Wait woah there is a contradiction! clidd, explain yourself.

Ok, I'm rereading now. I can't believe I missed that.

People say when I'm town I usually obvtown, but this isn't a button that I can just turn on.

So idk if I'll eventually be obvtown to your perspective, although I already have the firm feeling that you are town.

[clidd]

Btw, Pragdoid, I'm looking forward to your catch up too.

I want to better see where your head is in relation to the game, in addition to my slot. I believe that we can debate in a healthier way if you read the latest events more carefully, in case you missed any details. This will not only make it easier for me to read you, but for you to draw your conclusions about me.

[clidd]

And that's all.

I will take a break now to refresh some thoughts, maybe I'll be back later if any spark arises.

If you guys have any questions in the meantime, you can type here that I’ll check it out once I get back.

[ben dover123]

People say when I'm town I usually obvtown, but this isn't a button that I can just turn on.

So idk if I'll eventually be obvtown to your perspective, although I already have the firm feeling that you are town.

? You can't be obvious town manually? I'm sure anyone can be obvious town if they just tried. I'm fairly certain this sentence is null, but I'm surprised to hear that you aren't able to turn on your obvious town switch whenever you like. I'm capable of becoming obvious town and this is just my second game on the forum.

[LoneMarkhor]

I am really confused by all these pages of arguments.I wasnt expecting so many pages in this short time.But clidds interaction with trendall slightly makes him look scum.Ben seems town based on his thoughtful reasonings.Trendall could be either.He doesnt read scum to me nor town.
Chumbo reads slightly town too.But I cant say anything about other players.I am surprised by the hardness of catching scum but I think that it will become easier after night 1(perhaps).If I had to vote now I would vote clidd but I am going to refrain from that as there are still many days to deadline.Sorry I cant provide anything new but I am still a newbie.

[ben dover123]

I am really confused by all these pages of arguments.I wasnt expecting so many pages in this short time.But clidds interaction with trendall slightly makes him look scum.Ben seems town based on his thoughtful reasonings.Trendall could be either.He doesnt read scum to me nor town.
Chumbo reads slightly town too.But I cant say anything about other players.I am surprised by the hardness of catching scum but I think that it will become easier after night 1(perhaps).If I had to vote now I would vote clidd but I am going to refrain from that as there are still many days to deadline.Sorry I cant provide anything new but I am still a newbie.

Why hello there!

I have some evidence for Trendall's possible alignment, but I'm still working on it. Expect me to show my evidence tomorrow or Sunday.

This game is fast paced and a lot of posts are coming from me/clidd/Trendall. Wanna join in and vocalize the evidence behind your thoughts? We need some activity from the other slots by the weekend, because I'm pissed that I have so many null slots in my reads.

[LoneMarkhor]

I think I ll have to reread some pages so i can organize my thoughts in a better way.

[ben dover123]

I think I ll have to reread some pages so i can organize my thoughts in a better way.

Sounds good!

I'll be around for the next couple of hours, if you finish reading I'd like to hear your thoughts!

Also, if you are from Pakistan, we are likely a 12 hour difference in timezone or something like that. I will likely not have much time to interact with you as our day-night schedules will barely overlap. I think we have to use this time wisely.

I now have a take on clidd too, but I'm going to voice it with my Trendall take because I feel like this take I have is important.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

Quick update so I don't fall out of this game entirely: Ben is slightly leaning scum to me, Chumbo seems town, Clidd is basically null right now, Trendall also seems town, everyone else hasn't posted enough to really read on.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

People say when I'm town I usually obvtown, but this isn't a button that I can just turn on.

So idk if I'll eventually be obvtown to your perspective, although I already have the firm feeling that you are town.

? You can't be obvious town manually? I'm sure anyone can be obvious town if they just tried. I'm fairly certain this sentence is null, but I'm surprised to hear that you aren't able to turn on your obvious town switch whenever you like. I'm capable of becoming obvious town and this is just my second game on the forum.

Okay, now this is something I have an issue with. You can't just assert everyone can just look like they're a townie easily, without a problem. I'll use myself as an example here: I have trouble at times

just posting in the thread

, let alone looking "obvious town".

Also, I found a few questions for you that aren't really related to what I just said, but they seem fine to tack on:

In 15, you suddenly defend your choice of not voting in RVS unprompted. Why?

In 69, you said you were probably going to "recede your leadership and proactive role", but you're still posting as frequently as before. Why?

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

I'm VLA for weekend

You have been afk long enough to get prodded (about 37 hours), and now you go VLA without offering anything? I don't like this at all.

I'm not sure why this was received badly? Later on he showed that he could at least give a one-line summary while on VLA, so that just begs the question of why he didn't just say it in his VLA post.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

Chumbo is most likely to be mafia here, as they're complaining about ben trying to 'look town' while at the same time complaining about 'this guy isn't posting enough!' and 'this guy hasn't answered my question!' (please nobody interpret this post as an answer to Chumbo's question). Classic mafia stuff - easy, obvious, and irrelevant things to pick up and complain about.

I don't think

not posting enough

is an irrelevant thing, though. In addition, the two sides of "not enough posts" and "trying too hard to look town" aren't necessarily opposites to each other. You can have a lower post count than wanted and still look LAMISTy.

[NotAJumbleOfNumbers]

Posts 109 and 110 dripped me in the sense that he seemed withdrawn and not very committed to solving Ben's alignment, something I can theorize more in a newbie!Scum scenario.

Withdrawn? Yes. But that's just been a problem I've had in general with mafia. Everything's so hard to understand as someone who doesn't know much about the game and it can be tempting to just hold your thoughts to yourself so you don't look bad. And I think 110 is still a good question to ask.

[Pragdoid]

Hey everyone, I'm sorry but I have requested to be replaced. I thought I'd have more time but I don't, so I'd rather let someone who can do the game justice take my place. Sorry everyone.

[clidd]

? You can't be obvious town manually? I'm sure anyone can be obvious town if they just tried. I'm fairly certain this sentence is null, but I'm surprised to hear that you aren't able to turn on your obvious town switch whenever you like. I'm capable of becoming obvious town and this is just my second game on the forum.

It's personal of my playstyle, I can't consciously make it happen.