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[MathBlade]

Outer and BM can also both target tonight.

We can protect people we don’t want dead, so we can control the scum’s Night kill here if we keep both BM and Outer alive. It weakens them and forces them to not kill who we want.

We can keep Masons alive.

BM on Mathblade, Outer on Ranny.

If any of them die, they’re outed.

Yes, there is scum WIFOM potential in that, but we play Mafia. We analyze when it comes to that.

That’s what analyzing is for.

IF

we did this Outer on me BM on Ranny

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s just...they both changed their claim from Vanilla to PR after NPOM was caught. Yes, NPOM was gonna claim it anyways, but I saw that they were gonna change it.

But why doesn’t BM hammer NPOM in that case? And just lose that?

I’m conftown after NPOM flips. I’m never getting faded after that.

And I don’t know, I think BM can just be town.

If NPOM is getting bussed by Alch or Outer, and No Elim is the third.

No you actually aren’t. I may be super close to a solve here that gets you your wish but you’re not conf if NPOM flips scum here

Okay, I’m ObvTown after NPOM flips except to the masons, who just want me to be scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Outer and BM can also both target tonight.

We can protect people we don’t want dead, so we can control the scum’s Night kill here if we keep both BM and Outer alive. It weakens them and forces them to not kill who we want.

We can keep Masons alive.

BM on Mathblade, Outer on Ranny.

If any of them die, they’re outed.

Yes, there is scum WIFOM potential in that, but we play Mafia. We analyze when it comes to that.

That’s what analyzing is for.

IF

we did this Outer on me BM on Ranny

Fine, yeah.

All I want is my trophy catch.

[MathBlade]

It’s just...they both changed their claim from Vanilla to PR after NPOM was caught. Yes, NPOM was gonna claim it anyways, but I saw that they were gonna change it.

But why doesn’t BM hammer NPOM in that case? And just lose that?

I’m conftown after NPOM flips. I’m never getting faded after that.

And I don’t know, I think BM can just be town.

If NPOM is getting bussed by Alch or Outer, and No Elim is the third.

No you actually aren’t. I may be super close to a solve here that gets you your wish but you’re not conf if NPOM flips scum here

Okay, I’m ObvTown after NPOM flips except to the masons, who just want me to be scum.

No it has to do with BM scum slipping a moment ago and Titus scumreading BM

You being the most likely scum coaching BM is a coincidence.

BM would be on Ranny. Outer on me. If we flip a scum here I become literal confirmed.

[MathBlade]

The only question becomes who is actively coaching BM? The dude who literally has been screaming at BM to change his claim? It becomes really easy to call it if you’re steering.

The fact BM didn’t even try to answer means BM is lock scum here

[Battle Mage]

lol scumslip? dude get real.

also, ftr i am never "coached" as scum - people who try, get bussed to death immediately.

consider me checked out for the day, as I think this is a lost cause. Math seems more interested in keeping FL happy than elimming scum or even talking about the possibility of elimming scum, or even talking to me about anything actually useful.

[Flavor Leaf]

BM’s capable of making his own decisions. It doesn’t have to be some powerscum play.

I actively don’t like partners of mine to do everything I say because it becomes too obvious.

You will see later, you completely just want me to be scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

lol scumslip? dude get real.

also, ftr i am never "coached" as scum - people who try, get bussed to death immediately.

consider me checked out for the day, as I think this is a lost cause. Math seems more interested in keeping FL happy than elimming scum or even talking about the possibility of elimming scum, or even talking to me about anything actually useful.

I have not been happy in this game since the lurkers will still lurking, and I think that should be incredibly obvious that Mathblade has been my biggest annoyance since then.

[MathBlade]

The main issue here is BM referred to himself in the third person.

People don’t do that even in drafts or edits.

That was a copy pasta from a scum PT.

[MathBlade]

lol scumslip? dude get real.

also, ftr i am never "coached" as scum - people who try, get bussed to death immediately.

consider me checked out for the day, as I think this is a lost cause. Math seems more interested in keeping FL happy than elimming scum or even talking about the possibility of elimming scum, or even talking to me about anything actually useful.

I have not been happy in this game since the lurkers will still lurking, and I think that should be incredibly obvious that Mathblade has been my biggest annoyance since then.

Then why get annoyed at a play asking no elim to vote? You’re not consistent.

[Battle Mage]

Math, I can live with you calling me scum here, although it's completely ridiculous given what has happened.

You claiming I'm some shit scum who would need coaching, or would even listen to coaching, is insulting. I'm fking great as scum, I often suck as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Then that’s how you should know it isn’t me.

I’m too lazy to write something for someone, Id have given suggestion and made them write and then give what I didn’t like about it.

[Battle Mage]

The main issue here is BM referred to himself in the third person.

People don’t do that even in drafts or edits.

That was a copy pasta from a scum PT.

I've referred to myself in the 3rd person lots of times in games - I expect it's NAI but who cares? You're jumping at shadows and ignoring EVERYTHING WHICH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HAPPENING. I feel like I'm talking a maniac off a ledge right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

lol scumslip? dude get real.

also, ftr i am never "coached" as scum - people who try, get bussed to death immediately.

consider me checked out for the day, as I think this is a lost cause. Math seems more interested in keeping FL happy than elimming scum or even talking about the possibility of elimming scum, or even talking to me about anything actually useful.

I have not been happy in this game since the lurkers will still lurking, and I think that should be incredibly obvious that Mathblade has been my biggest annoyance since then.

Then why get annoyed at a play asking no elim to vote? You’re not consistent.

SCUM ME IS THE MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER ON SITE. That’s like on lock one of my biggest weaknesses as scum.

You are also mixing me being generally annoyed with getting annoyed.

I actually don’t care about waiting for no elim to vote. I am a master at reading gamestate, so in my head, No elim has already voted and picked a side, and it’s against me.

[Flavor Leaf]

The main issue here is BM referred to himself in the third person.

People don’t do that even in drafts or edits.

That was a copy pasta from a scum PT.

I've referred to myself in the 3rd person lots of times in games - I expect it's NAI but who cares? You're jumping at shadows and ignoring EVERYTHING WHICH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HAPPENING. I feel like I'm talking a maniac off a ledge right now.

You see why I wanted to fade in the masons now yesterday?

[MathBlade]

Math, I can live with you calling me scum here, although it's completely ridiculous given what has happened.

You claiming I'm some shit scum who would need coaching, or would even listen to coaching, is insulting. I'm fking great as scum, I often suck as town.

Good scum coordinate with buddies. It may not be FL but that’s the most likely. It makes the most sense. The tone of that post is all wrong and the third person is bad. You didn’t point out your “loaves”. You were coached or you failed to edit something. I just don’t know what or who.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like honestly, fading a mason, getting a conf town tomorrow (unless dies, but like whatever), this game breaks open for a higher chance of winning.

I’m not like actually saying we do that, but i stand by this statement for post game,

[Battle Mage]

The main issue here is BM referred to himself in the third person.

People don’t do that even in drafts or edits.

That was a copy pasta from a scum PT.

I've referred to myself in the 3rd person lots of times in games - I expect it's NAI but who cares? You're jumping at shadows and ignoring EVERYTHING WHICH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HAPPENING. I feel like I'm talking a maniac off a ledge right now.

You see why I wanted to fade in the masons now yesterday?

i would have considered this today, prior to:

A. the claim from OWER
B. The fact that currently, if the masons are scum, they are pretty much guaranteed to win and I can't fathom why they would milk it like this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why can’t he have failed on his own?

[Flavor Leaf]

The main issue here is BM referred to himself in the third person.

People don’t do that even in drafts or edits.

That was a copy pasta from a scum PT.

I've referred to myself in the 3rd person lots of times in games - I expect it's NAI but who cares? You're jumping at shadows and ignoring EVERYTHING WHICH HAS ACTUALLY BEEN HAPPENING. I feel like I'm talking a maniac off a ledge right now.

You see why I wanted to fade in the masons now yesterday?

i would have considered this today, prior to:

A. the claim from OWER
B. The fact that currently, if the masons are scum, they are pretty much guaranteed to win and I can't fathom why they would milk it like this.

I was pushing them as scum.

Dude, just see that even if Ower is scum, he’s still scum with NPOM.

Doctor/Bodyguard with a mason pair and a town roleblocker isn’t even a counterclaim.

[MathBlade]

Why can’t he have failed on his own?

It’s not a natural thought process.

Think about your meta.

You start that sentence with an I. You keep explaining with I. You don’t use a third person like Flavor Leaf or Boonskiies.

[Rannygazoo]

What FL knows but seems to find inconvenient is that a mason dying at night would essentially be Good For Town as then we have a mechanically confirmed townie on the next day.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why can’t he have failed on his own?

It’s not a natural thought process.

Think about your meta.

You start that sentence with an I. You keep explaining with I. You don’t use a third person like Flavor Leaf or Boonskiies.

What FL knows but seems to find inconvenient is that a mason dying at night would essentially be Good For Town as then we have a mechanically confirmed townie on the next day.

I’m fine with that. I honestly don’t even care if you guys are mech cleared or not. I read off play not claims. You know how many times I’ve been mech conf town as scum?

[MathBlade]

That’s why one of us gets shot tonight.

BM is pretty much conf scum now.

The question becomes why conf scum BM did this and didn’t just rag on NPOM

[Flavor Leaf]

BM can be scum, sure, I’m just saying, I caught NPOM out. I want him dead. I do not want to deal with this for yet ANOTHER day phase, especially if it goes into Elo.