Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[clidd]

Changing the subject, I'm surprised that your reaction(Lavar) was passive in relation to the Rockhopper vote.

What do you think about his entrance?

[Trendall]

he wanted the evidence shown early.

Didn't say this at any point

[LavarManos]

What do you think about his entrance?

I don't have much of an opinion on it. His vote on me is interesting, and I waiting for his reasoning.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.3

[1] ben dover123 (Battle Mage)
[1] Chumbo (Trendall)
[1] clidd (ben dover123)
[1] LavarManos (Rockhopper)
[1] Rockhopper (clidd)

[4] Not Voting (LoneMarkhor, NotAJumbleOfNumbers, LavarManos, Chumbo)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-12 08:30:00)

[ben dover123]

he wanted the evidence shown early.

Didn't say this at any point

You didn't directly say that but:

This 'my case is coming soon! i'm building a case. i have some information! all will be revealed in due course!' is sketchy af.

It reminds me of when Michael Avenatti was in the news all the time with like, 'I've got hard evidence! it's coming! any day now!'. He had nothing. Do you know where is now? Under house arrest after coming out of prison for tax evasion, extortion, fraud and embezzlement. Sketchy behaviour.

I infer that you believed the information wasn't coming at all and so you wanted it now or never.

[ben dover123]

I mean, the main point of your analysis is the meta, which was the reason for my praise.

Regarding your comments about my ISO, they fit the definition of "suppressing facts to fit theories" instead of "suppressing theories to fit facts". I think you are unconsciously conditioned to see reasons that agree with your adopted conclusion, which in this case is ''clidd is scum''.

I can approach if you want your pov about my posts in the current game, but I don't think it will change anything in your perspective.

Hm. Tbh this is probably right but I still think some of my important points still hold.

[Trendall]

I infer that you believed the information wasn't coming at all

No, actually I just thought it'd be like, not worth waiting for. I haven't had time to read properly yet but what I read was decent actually.

[ben dover123]

I infer that you believed the information wasn't coming at all

No, actually I just thought it'd be like, not worth waiting for. I haven't had time to read properly yet but what I read was decent actually.

Oh, well that is a :thonk:

Alright, I'm taking off Trendall from the foreseeable interaction list.

[LoneMarkhor]

I am really confused by all these pages of arguments.I wasnt expecting so many pages in this short time.But clidds interaction with trendall slightly makes him look scum.Ben seems town based on his thoughtful reasonings.Trendall could be either.He doesnt read scum to me nor town.
Chumbo reads slightly town too.But I cant say anything about other players.I am surprised by the hardness of catching scum but I think that it will become easier after night 1(perhaps).If I had to vote now I would vote clidd but I am going to refrain from that as there are still many days to deadline.Sorry I cant provide anything new but I am still a newbie.

Which Ben post in particular do you think best illustrates the town feel you had of him?

By extension, you said that Ben is town due to thoughtful reasoning, but I also provided some in the posts where I explain my reads on Ben/Trendall. Shouldn't I be town in your view too?

What I meant was that he provided quite some reasons for what he said(a good example is the recent post against you).Why I think you are scum is your general posts which make it look like that you try to be active while trying to not say too much.No posts in general but thats the thing I get.

[LoneMarkhor]

Also sorry for my inactivity, I 'll be more active from tomorrow.

[Rockhopper]

VOTE: Lavarmanos
that's the first scum

Incorrect, and it would be helpful if you gave reasoning.

I'm sorry about my inactivity, I wasn't expecting the game to move as quickly as it has. And from my pov the game started wednesday night, so I didn't think missing 1 full day would be as detrimental as it has been.

I am going to do a full re-read tomorrow morning, but my preliminary reads are that Ben and Chumbo are the most likely town, based on Ben's proactiveness and well thought out reasoning, as well as his change of stance on Chumbo. My view on Chumbo is similar to his, I think he was genuine in his read of Ben. Trendall I could go either way on. clidd gives a a bit of a scumread, but this is entirely based on gut alone. Everyone else hasn't posted enough to get any kind of read on.

I will do my best to get back to anyone's questions tonight if they ask any, but with the weekend here I should be more active.

That's most probably a scum stance IMO. It's just a reflection of the consensus with lazy reasoning.

[Rockhopper]

VOTE: Trendall

There is a tell for ''hello'' without vote.

clidd is first mafia on the basis that he supposed loves to use meta, but didn't check back to see if this is just something I commonly do and instead thinks it's like a generalised 'tell'. These two lines of thinking aren't compatible with each other so mafia.

VOTE: clidd

I don't think there is a tell for "hello" that confirms that someone is a mafia.

And I feel like you're doing mental gymnastics by assuming that I "love" using meta (I never said I do, only that I used it in the past often), as well as ignoring the context of me being away from the site and the influence that would have in the way I'm playing.

Honestly your earlier interactions with Trendall only strengthens my slight scumread on you. In this series of interactions you claim that there is a tell for "hello" without a vote, he responds with what looked like an omgus vote to me, and then you contradict yourself with your response, claiming that you don't think there is a tell for "hello". So which is it? I need to re-read the thread completely when I have a clearer head, but this seems disingenuous to me. Also, your take on Trendall saying "first mafia" seemed like you were grasping at straws.

It's also pretty scummy to automatically equate contradictions to scumminess. The same argument holds true for a major portion of RVS votes, so if the SR did stem from here, it reinforces my read.

[Chumbo]

Alright, I'm taking off Trendall from the foreseeable interaction list.

What do you mean by this?

It's also pretty scummy to automatically equate contradictions to scumminess. The same argument holds true for a major portion of RVS votes, so if the SR did stem from here, it reinforces my read.

I disagree with you on this. I think that contradictions, in general, are scum behavior. Scum has to lie and if they don't keep track of their lies, they contradict themselves. clidd did explain himself later, which you can take it or leave it, but I don't think it's scummy to call out a contradiction.

[ben dover123]

Alright, I'm taking off Trendall from the foreseeable interaction list.

What do you mean by this?

he wanted the evidence shown early.

Didn't say this at any point

You didn't directly say that but:

This 'my case is coming soon! i'm building a case. i have some information! all will be revealed in due course!' is sketchy af.

It reminds me of when Michael Avenatti was in the news all the time with like, 'I've got hard evidence! it's coming! any day now!'. He had nothing. Do you know where is now? Under house arrest after coming out of prison for tax evasion, extortion, fraud and embezzlement. Sketchy behaviour.

I infer that you believed the information wasn't coming at all and so you wanted it now or never.

I had Trendall on my "possible scum equity with clidd" list until he explained that he thought my ISO on clidd was going to be crappy info. I originally thought he wanted the info now or never and was going to defend clidd from it.

[Trendall]

he explained that he thought my ISO on clidd was going to be crappy info

I didn't explain any such thing because it wasn't your 'ISO on clidd', it was your 'evidence' generally that I was suspicious of. I said nothing about clidd.

[ben dover123]

he explained that he thought my ISO on clidd was going to be crappy info

I didn't explain any such thing because it wasn't your 'ISO on clidd', it was your 'evidence' generally that I was suspicious of. I said nothing about clidd.

:thonk: This is unnecessary comment. You know what I mean. "ISO on clidd" is my evidence.

[Trendall]

It's not unnecessary if I'm pointing out I didn't say something that I'm being accused of saying, because some other person might make a wrong read off of the back of it

Actually I'm gonna switch back to clidd though on the basis of how hard he's trying to pocket ben dover123. And also we don't need like 5 separate wagons with one person each on them right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: clidd

[Trendall]

Rockhopper's entrance, on the other hand, rang some bells.

Lol actually yeah I just looked at that and it does look really rough

[ben dover123]

It's not unnecessary if I'm pointing out I didn't say something that I'm being accused of saying, because some other person might make a wrong read off of the back of it

Actually I'm gonna switch back to clidd though on the basis of how hard he's trying to pocket ben dover123. And also we don't need like 5 separate wagons with one person each on them right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: clidd

Hmph. I still feel like people could infer that "ISO on clidd" is basically a more descriptive term of "evidence", but oh well.

tbh I feel like he was pocketing me from the beginning. When I was doing his ISO, I realized he had said something like "I like your style ben" which was complete fluff but was a complement directed towards me. Also, the recent praise and the reluctance to defend himself + casting off all my accusations as "confbias" is bullcrap imo. Sounds like clidd is trying to apply his pocketing here, which will not work, unfortunately for him.

[Trendall]

Hmph. I still feel like people could infer that "ISO on clidd" is basically a more descriptive term of "evidence", but oh well.

This has nothing to do with the fact that I didn't say anything resembling what you said I said.

[Trendall]

Actually you were saying 'I have evidence about Trendall's alignment' and I thought 'oh for god's sake here we go...', I wasn't thinking about clidd at all.

[Trendall]

Cause it looked like u were gonna try to build a maf case against me because why else does someone like...announce 'coming soon, my reads!' instead of just like....I dunno posting them. Like it was too theatrical but then you thought I was town so I wasn't bothered.

[Rockhopper]

It's also pretty scummy to automatically equate contradictions to scumminess. The same argument holds true for a major portion of RVS votes, so if the SR did stem from here, it reinforces my read.

I disagree with you on this. I think that contradictions, in general, are scum behavior. Scum has to lie and if they don't keep track of their lies, they contradict themselves. clidd did explain himself later, which you can take it or leave it, but I don't think it's scummy to call out a contradiction.

So RVS votes with poor reasoning are inherently scummy?
That's a step town wouldn't miss when using the tell.

[Rockhopper]

Rockhopper's entrance, on the other hand, rang some bells.

Lol actually yeah I just looked at that and it does look really rough

Huh? How did you judge?

[Trendall]

Have you read it back? Sheesh.

However around iso 7 you get a lot better, I did mean to mention that just above but got distracted by another ben dover123 post.