BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me - Lost Memories

[samantha97]

also I was thinking just now - if I were to die tomorrow with inverted, wouldn't that inspire commuters to randomly not commute to evade kills? also, if you were to die at some point, there might not be a need for inverted anyway with commuting disabled

[Boonskiies]

The Inverted modifier is not in your role PM, and thus won't flip if you die.

[samantha97]

thx

[Bell]

the cool thing is that, assuming we succeed in killing (I think we should combine commute+kill again to make sure), it takes 6 votes to lynch tomorrow

that means the entirety of town -1

I think if we rush a massclaim, instead of waiting for it to inevitably come, there will be enough doubt that, if we stay off each other, it'll be impossible for any of us to reach majority

I could be reading the room completely wrong though

I like this plan

What do we want to claim?

[Bell]

As for kills, do we want to kill Shelly or HBB.

[Bell]

I'm not sure how the town is actually going to respond to you tmrw Samantha.

Sometimes you get speed wagoned, other times they have amnesia.

[Ydrasse]

uhhhhh

so i wonder the usefulness of keeping speculation alive on the commuters/one being scum?

[Bell]

I'm not sure.
It's a thought I might have.
I wouldn't know, this is role madness to me.

[samantha97]

here's my argument for nightkilling shoshin:

if we kill a commuter, ydrasse (or even bell if you wanna swap to add credibellity) has more justification for openly claiming commuter enabler since commuters can just be nightkilled anyway

if commuters can be nightkilled, having a bunch of town commuters isn't impossible

if commuters can be nightkilled, every commuter except me is quasi-vanilla and expendable

we also should probably be picking off a commuter while I'm still alive and it's not risky

while shelly is basically confirmed town in everyone's mind, they're also pretty inactive

gypyx is suspicious, especially since he voted gamma to e-1 for no reason

then we come to shoshin, who was the most active poster on day 2 and managed to lynch who they wanted (even if we lent a helping hand lol)

shoshin also claimed to receive a message that someone was town, so killing them would prevent day 3 corroboration, or even the person's name from being said at all possibly

if we did this, I think it'd make sense for me to say I targeted thegoldenparadox, because shoshin brought up his inactivity (perhaps insincerely though), making it less likely he was the named player, and because no one is really keen on thegoldenparadox in general & it makes sense for me to cop him, thinking someone is going to target me tonight for sure

I really do think someone will target me so there should be a shot at framing him?

if there was a tracker I could just say guess that confirms redirect

if someone thinks it makes me look bad that shoshin was the target, could say it was a weak attempt at framing or just bring up the message that shoshin talked about

the cons that I can think of are that commuter isn't a role that currently challenges us, and it's possible shoshin isn't one at all (flip side is he could be something better I guess)

so do you see any major problems/holes with the way I'm thinking?

[samantha97]

there are also these gems from shoshin:

"HUB, what's your read on Bell? If you're town, and I'm willing I consider the possibility, Bell immediately crosses my mind as likely scum."
"Bell/Sam seems plausible as scum."
"It could even be HBB/Bell/Sam."
"Sam doesn't seem to be scumhunting.

Bell could be scum, who knows?"

in fairness they were a bit scatterbrained and said bell was town at some point too

[samantha97]

other problem would be if shoshin did commute, it'd expose me to more than just a tracker, like a cop

[samantha97]

actually let me ask about that

[Bell]

Sure we can kill shoshin.

[Bell]

Who you want me to send a fruit to?

[Ydrasse]

yeah i'm actually fine with killing shoshin too if only for the momentum that she's brought this game and her questioning later down the line might get realllll annoying

there's no one else i'd really wanna kill, like hub i /guess/ but that's more of a secondary person, hbb hasn't been active too much relatively, uh... the rest i think have potential to be pushed upon/etc so i'm good with keeping them alive

[Ydrasse]

worst case we have to deal with a pr on us which like, famous last words? but we can deal with that during the day and talk our way out of it

i'm also committing to just claiming commuter enabler because like, that's super plausible with the entire setup and i can say i didn't crumb it, blah blah, yeah. i'm sold on this

for your fruit bell, uh... hbb maybe? that's the only person that really comes to mind since i think hub is claimed vt

[Ydrasse]

samantha forces shoshin to commute

ydrasse kills shoshin (inverted)

ydrasse gives samantha the inverted modifier

bell gives fruit to hbb

feel free to correct any of this/change it but it's just a placeholder for us for now

[Bell]

Fruit to TGP.

[Bell]

if he's not a power role he's being uncharacteristically useless.

[Bell]

Bell Gives TGP fruit

You can change this back if you feel HBB should have the fruit imo.

[Ydrasse]

nah that’s fine! i lowkey forgot about tgp

[samantha97]

the thing with giving tgp fruit is it makes it a lot harder to say I targeted him, so I'd need someone else

I asked boonskiies and if a commuter commutes on an inverted kill, I still commute, so if an investigative role targeted me it should fail, meaning I targeted mafia or am lying

[samantha97]

the only options for someone to target from my town pov are tgp or aristophales

[samantha97]

well I could say I targeted hub because his end of day posts made me nervous and he was vanilla anyway so 0 risk

but then if he's a power role he got a fruit message

[samantha97]

although fruit message doesn't actually mean anything in that case other than he wasn't commuted night 1