Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[Chumbo]

So RVS votes with poor reasoning are inherently scummy?

No, I said contradictions are scummy. Never said anything about RVS reasoning.

[Trendall]

LavarManos's posts are decent.

[Trendall]

At this point then I think both mafia are most likely within Chumbo, clidd and Battle Mage.

[Rockhopper]

So RVS votes with poor reasoning are inherently scummy?

No, I said contradictions are scummy. Never said anything about RVS reasoning.

RVS votes with poor reasoning.

> X is scum for being the second poster (RVS) vote: X
> I don't actually think X is 100% scum for being the second poster

[Rockhopper]

Have you read it back? Sheesh.

Elaborate?

[Trendall]

Just the tone is mafia tone (very hard to elaborate on it when it's just tone based) but it's not important because when you start getting into the actual stuff you read a lot better.

[clidd]

It's not unnecessary if I'm pointing out I didn't say something that I'm being accused of saying, because some other person might make a wrong read off of the back of it

Actually I'm gonna switch back to clidd though on the basis of how hard he's trying to pocket ben dover123. And also we don't need like 5 separate wagons with one person each on them right now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: clidd

I feel betrayed, ngl.

[Trendall]

Well I was assuming that the mafias were in the afk people, but their replacements seem nice, so you went back to being more likely to be mafia I'm like rly sorry

[clidd]

[Trendall]

[LoneMarkhor]

What is confbias?

[clidd]

What is confbias?

https://www.simplypsychology.org/confirmation-bias.html

[clidd]

After a reread, I feel better about Chumbo.

[clidd]

It's strange that Rock came into the game with a very specific view of Pragdoig/Lavar's slot. I would like to see the development of other reads, in other players, before defining whether he remains in the scummy zone or not.

[clidd]

I am really confused by all these pages of arguments.I wasnt expecting so many pages in this short time.But clidds interaction with trendall slightly makes him look scum.Ben seems town based on his thoughtful reasonings.Trendall could be either.He doesnt read scum to me nor town.
Chumbo reads slightly town too.But I cant say anything about other players.I am surprised by the hardness of catching scum but I think that it will become easier after night 1(perhaps).If I had to vote now I would vote clidd but I am going to refrain from that as there are still many days to deadline.Sorry I cant provide anything new but I am still a newbie.

Which Ben post in particular do you think best illustrates the town feel you had of him?

By extension, you said that Ben is town due to thoughtful reasoning, but I also provided some in the posts where I explain my reads on Ben/Trendall. Shouldn't I be town in your view too?

What I meant was that he provided quite some reasons for what he said(a good example is the recent post against you).Why I think you are scum is your general posts which make it look like that you try to be active while trying to not say too much.No posts in general but thats the thing I get.

I was initially leaning towards a TL on Markhor, but after seeing this generic explanation, I ended up not being so sure. I have a hard time imagining Town!him based on what was described above to suspect me. It's possible, however, that he has not yet managed to correctly convey the way he is viewing the game and that is the key point, in my opinion, for me to have a greater understanding if his pov in relation to the theory of Scum!clidd is posed or not.

[clidd]

Quick update so I don't fall out of this game entirely: Ben is slightly leaning scum to me, Chumbo seems town, Clidd is basically null right now, Trendall also seems town, everyone else hasn't posted enough to really read on.

Regarding Jumble, it seems that he is existing in a parallel world, I do not feel that he is engaged with the game. Having me as null and Ben as scummy was an unusual interpretation considering the content prior to the time period in which the post was made.

He also fits the "I need to see his reads in general to know what perspective he is coming from" (town / scum).

[clidd]

VOTE: Trendall

There is a tell for ''hello'' without vote.

clidd is first mafia on the basis that he supposed loves to use meta, but didn't check back to see if this is just something I commonly do and instead thinks it's like a generalised 'tell'. These two lines of thinking aren't compatible with each other so mafia.

VOTE: clidd

I don't think there is a tell for "hello" that confirms that someone is a mafia.

And I feel like you're doing mental gymnastics by assuming that I "love" using meta (I never said I do, only that I used it in the past often), as well as ignoring the context of me being away from the site and the influence that would have in the way I'm playing.

Honestly your earlier interactions with Trendall only strengthens my slight scumread on you. In this series of interactions you claim that there is a tell for "hello" without a vote, he responds with what looked like an omgus vote to me, and then you contradict yourself with your response, claiming that you don't think there is a tell for "hello". So which is it? I need to re-read the thread completely when I have a clearer head, but this seems disingenuous to me. Also, your take on Trendall saying "first mafia" seemed like you were grasping at straws.

And contextualizing my read on Lava, I believe that his predecessor's post above sounded very genuine in describing his impression of the clidd x Trendall situation. I do not intend to enter the subject of cognitive load, but I feel that he would not be able to absorb these details and transmit as spontaneously as scum.

[ben dover123]

Hm? What happened here?

tbf I think I'm staying on your wagon unless you towncase yourself or prove my whole argument and evidence is all confbiased.

Oh yeah, BM should be having his take today, correct?

[clidd]

I feel that the Mars/Rock's slot is probably scum.

I have no evidence, but I think Mars was from epicmafia and was excited to play on the forum we are in. Considering her last post in the current game (a certain nervousness) and the noticeable apathy/inactivity, it's possible that she was suffering from the cognitive burden of being scum.

Well, it's an assumption, but adding that to the current impression I have of Rock, it is liable to scumread. But I will wait for some disclosure of Rock reads, maybe it will change my perception in relation to that.

[ben dover123]

I feel that the Mars/Rock's slot is probably scum.

I have no evidence, but I think Mars was from epicmafia and was excited to play on the forum we are in. Considering her last post in the current game (a certain nervousness) and the noticeable apathy/inactivity, it's possible that she was suffering from the cognitive burden of being scum.

Well, it's an assumption, but adding that to the current impression I have of Rock, it is liable to scumread. But I will wait for some disclosure of Rock reads, maybe it will change my perception in relation to that.

So you don't care that I'm not going to take my vote on you unless you actually do something? Like, I know meta is hard to defend but it's not impossible. Also, it's likely that your wagon will go through one way or another.

I'll reread a bit and formulate some more interactions so that when I die night 1 town still has a idea of where to go afterwards.

[clidd]

my early takes are Clidd is scum, and Ben is town. full catch up and assessment to follow after the weekend.

Last but not least, I think it is slightly towny for BM to reach this conclusion for 2 reasons:

1- He has already played against Scum!Clidd and maybe assimilated patterns of behavior, something that is in line with Ben's analysis of my meta (remembering that his post was before Ben's scumcase about me)

2- I voted for him and then switched to Jumble the moment BM entered the vla, this may have sounded like an alert bell for him.

Among other possible reasons, which he will probably explain when he returns.

However, there is still a chance that he is scum preparing to pull a narrative, but I think it is less likely according to what I imagined from Scum!BM and how he would act here. It also depends on what he is going to address other slots besides mine (reads).

[LavarManos]

Rockhopper's attack on Pragdoid would be fine... if Pragdoid wasn't a newbie. I think consensus following reads and searching for contradictions are just as likely to come from a player who is still learning the ropes.

Well I was assuming that the mafias were in the afk people, but their replacements seem nice, so you went back to being more likely to be mafia I'm like rly sorry

This seems too bold for scum to say.

so that when I die night 1 town still has a idea of where to go afterwards.

You won't die on night 1

I still have a light townread on clidd.

[ben dover123]

Spoiler: Readlist

ben dover123

Trendall

LavarManos/Pragdoid

Chumbo

Battle Mage

Rockhopper/mars

NotAJumbleOfNumbers

clidd

Spoiler: Reasoning

Trendall is just not acting like his scum self, also I'd assume he would have replaced out by now because he hates being scum.
Pragdoid had nice tone, and LavarManos also started strong, so I think they are likely town, I'm probably going to reread their slot just in case.
Chumbo is probably just newbie town with bad reasoning.
BM made some huge statements ("clidd is scum") but it's NAI until he explains his takes in detail.
Rockhopper had a rough start, also his predecessor was literally flaking, but Rockhopper gradually got better, so I'm keeping him in null.
NotAJumbleOfNumbers had some rough posts, focusing only on me and then providing a wacky readlist, but NotAJumbleOfNumbers has trouble acting like a proactive townie, but I'm reluctant to put him even in null for his actions.
clidd is scum by meta.

[quote=LavarManos]
You won't die on night 1

I still have a light townread on clidd.
[/quote]

No, I'm dead either way. But forget this, we shouldn't analyze the nk any farther.

Why do you have a light townread on clidd? What reasons?

[Rockhopper]

It's strange that Rock came into the game with a very specific view of Pragdoig/Lavar's slot.

I didn't.

[Rockhopper]

Clidd is probably town