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[VP Baltar]

ICO, who do you think are most likely ABR buddies?

[VP Baltar]

Will catch up tonight but I’m pretty okay with ABR going here. I also still am ver y interested in eliminating Dunn

Are you fully caught up now? Who are ABR's partners?

[innocentvillager]

you’re seriously telling me you’re 100% convinced he’s scum?

[innocentvillager]

your accusation there is essentially that the fact that I refuse to acknowledge that ABR is 100% scum

Is such a bad take, that you don’t think it’s as likely to come from town as it is from a wifoming scum

[innocentvillager]

again, I’m not interested in defending ABR anymore, but now you are using that to attack my slot which is why I brought it up again.

[VP Baltar]

you’re seriously telling me you’re 100% convinced he’s scum?

I'm very confident, yes. If he's town, then he's just fucking the game, and my experience with ABR is that he is more ethical than that.

[VP Baltar]

again, I’m not interested in defending ABR anymore, but now you are using that to attack my slot which is why I brought it up again.

You getting worried scum?

[innocentvillager]

what is the point of asking questions like that

this is not the first time you have done that

[VP Baltar]

what is the point of asking questions like that

this is not the first time you have done that

Who else did I do it to?

And I have reasons.

[innocentvillager]

you did it again to me lol

okay whatever no point asking you you’re conftown

Part of me kind of just wants to see ABR flip tbh before I really get back into this game

[VP Baltar]

you did it again to me lol

Where specifically

[VP Baltar]

I'm waiting

[innocentvillager]

i don't think it's important enough to go try and find lol, don't think this helps solve either of our alignments

[innocentvillager]

i skimmed through abr's D2 again and im really not sure im ready to accept that slot is scum

im sorry, im probably just horrible at this game

[innocentvillager]

i don't really have meta on abr, can anyone show me a scum!ABR game where he played like, even remotely like this? that might help me with... the closure

[innocentvillager]

i think his D2 posting is like, outside of the scumrange of many players on MS so if i see something that suggests it's not outside ABR's scumrange id feel better about the ABR yeet

[VP Baltar]

i think his D2 posting is like, outside of the scumrange of many players on MS so if i see something that suggests it's not outside ABR's scumrange id feel better about the ABR yeet

What are you seriously proposing here? You want to yeet someone else?

[innocentvillager]

you can call me read on him "pocketed", "colored", "biased" all you want, because he "saved me" or at least defended me from the D2 elim. let me be clear on a few GTH reasons why i thought he was town though, outside of that:

-the claim truly was like, almost completely unnecessary, there's almost no reason to not just kill cakez at night
-the shoshin "cc" was consistent with the story, along with the tunneling cakez on role mechanics, etc, it's all very consistent with someone who is expecting a very traditional kind of setup without too many investigatives
-the role? like wtf? the only reasonable explanation is that he's the scum version of the role, but the lazy modifier seems really random, not something he'd come up with
-the blow-up at me for not joining him on Cakez does not seem like, anything he would do as scum, that definitely felt fucking real
-tone, general frustration, the "feeling bad about tunneling scum!Cakez", it just all expressed a wide range of emotions that had to be faked by scum which all seems pretty unlikely especially coming from a player who loves to be Town.

points ive heard against him:
-setup spec, sure, I don't know too much about it but gypyx setups are apparently fucking wild so whatever not confscum for me
-okay he was the driver of two townie elims but that... happens even if he is town? everyone else joined those wagons for a reason
-he's trying to deflect responsibility from the elims with the whole "omg cakez I was about to 180 on you but you gave up" rant. I don't even think that is that scummy on further reflection. It's so obvious he was the driver of the wagons. As scum it obviously looks bad if he tries to deflect responsibility away from himself, so I think the read here being scum!indicative is just... lazy

[innocentvillager]

i think his D2 posting is like, outside of the scumrange of many players on MS so if i see something that suggests it's not outside ABR's scumrange id feel better about the ABR yeet

What are you seriously proposing here? You want to yeet someone else?

i think scumteam is just 3 out of 4 of {ico, dv, mwb, gamma} unless i see a strong case on abr.

[innocentvillager]

i think, expressing my viewpoint here is on balance helpful because no one is on ABR's side atm. if im wrong and my points are all BS then the ABR yeet will still go through. im gonna go back to playing devil's advocate in the meantime.

forgot to reiterate ABR's "giving up" lately really could just be him being busy.

and also the point about him not dying instead of datisi, well he's getting a ton of heat today, maybe scum are setting him up as the ML and messed with the RB in some weird way.

[petapan]

i didn't see him pulling that claim out as scum either but he basically hard drove 2 eliminations and then tried to blame everyone else for the 2nd one, the way he acted around the vote end of day was just faux indecision. he clearly got drunk on powerwolfing and now has a hangover and has gone into surrender mode, i do not understand why this is a sticking point


but i also wouldn't expect his partners to defend him at this point

[petapan]

b/c without the claim i didn't like him and removing everything about it i don't see how he isn't scum and im losing my mind over you seeing obvious lolcatting and still doubting it

[VP Baltar]

The entire point of a big move like his claim is to buy a big bank of town cred and try to sail that ship to the end.

Scum knew for sure town had a roleblocker yesterday, so ABR's intent with the "I'll check IV" stuff was always to claim he was roleblocked. Then when the roleblocker claimed, he could have a 1v1 by claiming that person was a scum roleblocker.

He wasn't counting on me being a friendly neighbor as well, which is why we see the complete collapse.

This is all completely within the range of scum play for anyone who has been around the block enough times.

[innocentvillager]

why is it obvious lolcatting though when he's made it clear he is busy RL (and by proxy probably hasn't read the thread to realize for baltar to be scum he HAS to be scum with two others)

why are you so sure it can't come from town given what i just said?

[VP Baltar]

Omg, he knows what I claimed. He is not that far behind.

Also, you notice how he went from it has to be IV or VPB, to suddenly wifoming around Gamma and DV?

I have to believe you are trolling me at this point because you can't legit be this bad at this game. I appreciate a different viewpoint, but come on man