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[DrippingGoofball]

I know this because I am a rolestopper.

I never used the role until last night, when I was hoping to use it as doc protection on IV.

So there you have the reason why I didn't want to mass claim.

I didn't want my doctor utility outed.

My ONE action is going to turn out to be as bad as a Guillotina gambit

F

Merde

Shit

Damnation. If I would have known everyone but the scum were targeting him, I wouldn't have.

This is why I thought you were one-shot, because you were playing it off like you had no other chances left; along with doc utilty

You made an incorrect deduction.

[DrippingGoofball]

ABR has a non gun result on him. His hammers were bad, Glitch's interactions with him were bad.

He hasn't flipped yet.

I need to be convinced that you are town, because you can potentially recruit another player and confirm their alignment

I forgot to add, if you're town, my logical choice is to target unwnd tonight, in case you haven't picked up on that.

I need to sort you both out today.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Unwnd is active and sorting

[DrippingGoofball]

Unwnd is active and sorting

That's why unwnd is getting a chance after the disastrous day start.

[DrippingGoofball]

Unwnd is active and sorting

I noticed that you're neither of these things

[NoPowerOverMe]

Not true

[unwnd]

Shit happens and this game has been difficult

Do you think ABR is town or that you just want to deadlock him into using his "Ability"?

[DrippingGoofball]

Shit happens and this game has been difficult

Do you think ABR is town or that you just want to deadlock him into using his "Ability"?

The gunsmith result, if real, is in his favor. It gives me some pause.

Either way he needs to be locked in.

IV could track him, you could try to recruit him. I haven't given any thought as to whether it's optimal though.

[unwnd]

I think what I'll likely do is just recruit one of the VT claims, because that's what my role is for.

I understand the Gunsmith result but I'm quite lukewarm to Insano's approach this game. He seems very detached, but there's nothing I hate when he pops in. Just wish he'd try harder to be more personable as with other players

[DrippingGoofball]

Agreed.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The gunsmith just means that he wasn't the one making the kill not that he is not a mafia. If he is a marquee Mafia member I wouldn't expect him to do the kill anyway.

[Insanoflex]

I think what I'll likely do is just recruit one of the VT claims, because that's what my role is for.

I understand the Gunsmith result but I'm quite lukewarm to Insano's approach this game. He seems very detached, but there's nothing I hate when he pops in. Just wish he'd try harder to be more personable as with other players

That's just my personality, I guess. Used to get me scumread a lot. *shrug*

The gunsmith just means that he wasn't the one making the kill not that he is not a mafia. If he is a marquee Mafia member I wouldn't expect him to do the kill anyway.

This is incorrect, it's based on role, not who does the kill. The wiki says it would return a positive on a Neapolitan, apparently.

[DrippingGoofball]

The gunsmith just means that he wasn't the one making the kill not that he is not a mafia.

Does it mean that, or "not in possession of a gun?"

[DrippingGoofball]

The Gunsmith is an information role that can target a player at Night to learn if they have a gun in flavor. Members of the Mafia (that are not Doctors), Cops, FBI Agents, Vigilantes, other Gunsmiths, Paranoid Gun Owners, etc. all have guns in traditional flavor. Notably, Serial Killers and Doctors do not have guns.

Gunsmiths are usually, but not necessarily, pro-Town. They are considered somewhat weaker than standard Cops and are usually included in setups where they can get positive results on players who are not Mafia-aligned.

[NoPowerOverMe]

All Mafia have guns except doctors according to wiki nm. That is in his favor.

[DrippingGoofball]

The wiki says it would return a positive on a Neapolitan, apparently.

Does it?

[unwnd]

I have a question

Would voting no one favor us? It's something I don't really ever implore but I'm just thinking about the claims here.

[unwnd]

I'm gonna try and think about this mechanically, because that's the situation we're in.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why would we not vote glitch if he has a guilty.

[unwnd]

]Glitch - 2 shot vig taht shot umlaut
Starbuck - No claim
Insanoflex - 2-Shot Gunsmith (Claims NO GUN on ABR N2, Claims NO GUN on TGP n3)
Gamma Emerald - VT
TheGoldenParadox - VT
Albert B. Rampage - 1-shot Bodyguard
NoPowerOverMe - VT
innocentvillager - Universal Backup (Now 1BP Tracker, Glitch visited Umlaut, Starbuck visited no one n2)
unwnd - Neo Neighborizer
Vaxkiller - VT
DrippingGoofball - Rolestopper

Right now if it's 4 scum our numbers are 11 players. That leaves 7 of us as townies making it 7/4 right now.

Vote no one
NK
6/4 (MYLO)

or

Vote (ABR, Glitch)
NK
6/5 (LYLO)

We would be buying ourselves more time by forcing scum to take an action at the night. They have to shoot in one of the PRs, and right now DGB you are claiming you're going to be on me so I should be safe. I think we can force scum's hand by working around a few obvious fakeclaims. It's very likely they have a Roleblocker, but they can't roleblock both me and IV. If they have a strongman, the same effect. If Insano dies, then it confirms that TGP/ABR are soft-clear. If IV dies, it confirms Glitch is scum. It's a more monotonous road but we've been barelling through lynches without much thought. Basically what I'm saying is that scum will be forced into initiative and I'll have another chance to recruit one of the VTs, allowing us to get possibly another clear or scum.

[unwnd]

Vote no one
NK
6/4 (MYLO)

or

Vote (ABR, Glitch)
NK
6/5 (LYLO)

Math is wrong here

7/4
Mislynch
NK
5/4 (LYLO)

or

7/4
Vote no one
NK
6/4 (MYLO)

Same situation just wrong numbers my mistake.

In the instance of us being right it would be

7/4
Red flip
NK
6/3 (1 more phase to MYLO)

[NoPowerOverMe]

But what's the disadvantage in eliminating glitch

[unwnd]

So with that being said here is how the NAR should work

Unwnd - Pick a VT (Gamma, NPOM, TGP, Starbuck(?)
DGB - Rolestop unwnd
ABR - Bodyguard IV
IV - Track someone
Glitch - Shoot someone

I didn't account for the shot but if we vote no one then Glitch would effectively be confirming himself if he's real and while it would put us into LYLO,

Again, scum can't roleblock all of us. They also can't kill both investigatives. IV gets another result with guaranteed protection or scum is outed either way in the claims, and I would hopefully get another result. I trust Vax to make the right call and he would be confirmed town on my death either way.

[unwnd]

But what's the disadvantage in eliminating glitch

If he can't confirm himself we just lynch him tomorrow in MYLO which puts us at 5/4. Then NK, which puts us at 4/3. We can take the no vote here.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm confident enough in villagers claim that we definitely should elim glitch now.