Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[clidd]

Idk if I should post my meta here, maybe you will expect something from me that I won't be able to deliver.

Looking back, maybe my advice on page 1 could have avoided a lot of headaches in this game.

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[Trendall]

Can't say I have looked at any of your past games, you just seemed to know what you were doing at the day start.

[Trendall]

That was ben's thing not mine.

[clidd]

Can we like, forget that this can be a scum strat from me?

[Trendall]

I'm not finding it easy, and like actually I'm just waiting for everyone to talk so we know if anyone ccs or not, so I don't mind killing time doing this in the meantime.

[ben dover123]

This isn't true imo, but ok.

As soon as somebody wants to eliminate you, ben dover123 will pop up and say

"Wait, what? :thonk: You seriously want to eliminate an unccd pr? smh"

and given how schmoozey you've been with him it wouldn't surprise me if that was what you were banking on.

I wouldn't do this, I'm still very unsure about this PR claim. Usually I would be skeptical about hanging a uncc'ed PR but this claim is just really weird timing wise.

[Trendall]

And I think I've just had two games, Newbie 2035 and Newbie 2039 where a mafia claimed doctor day 1 and got eliminated day 1. And every time ppl are asking me 'why would mafia take that risk of claiming doctor' but I'm sure that's just like...the strategy lol.

[Trendall]

A difference being that in both of those cases I guess they were at L-1, but like I say, I find claiming so early there odd as either town or mafia.,

[LoneMarkhor]

Rockhopper:Why did you vote chumbo?
I think chumbo is strong town lean and some other people also think so.

[ben dover123]

A difference being that in both of those cases I guess they were at L-1, but like I say, I find claiming so early there odd as either town or mafia.,

Hm. At least in both of those scenarios it makes sense to claim timing wise. Also, this claim pings me odd too. Something doesn't feel right about clidd's behavior before the claim and then his claim as doctor...

And I think I've just had two games, Newbie 2035 and Newbie 2039 where a mafia claimed doctor day 1 and got eliminated day 1. And every time ppl are asking me 'why would mafia take that risk of claiming doctor' but I'm sure that's just like...the strategy lol.

I guess it is the leading strat for maf.

[clidd]

I think I have only cc example as scum:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11830389

and I losed, so I don't really fakeclaim as mafia tbh.

[clidd]

Only one cc example*

[Trendall]

so I don't really fakeclaim as mafia tbh.

I would basically have believed this if it didn't have 'tbh' written after it but that always throws me off. Not terribly confident but you're probably telling the truth here.

Who wants to get Chumbo?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chumbo

[ben dover123]

I'm still reluctant to just "go" for Chumbo, he gives me newb town vibes as I said and it seems that he was genuinely trying to sort things out and solve when he was attacking me. Although, I definitely will admit he has started to fall deeper in the shadows, he is kinda falling underneath me and has been recently following my actions...

[ben dover123]

I'm still reluctant to just "go" for Chumbo, he gives me newb town vibes as I said and it seems that he was genuinely trying to sort things out and solve when he was attacking me. Although, I definitely will admit he has started to fall deeper in the shadows, he is kinda falling underneath me and has been recently following my actions...

[Rockhopper]

1) It could have just been you not paying attention.
2) Doesn't matter. My read on Pragdoid was all that was necessary.
3) ..I don't think it is

This argument is doing no good to anyone, so this is the last time I will argue over these points.

1. Let me see, your reasons for voting Pragdoid/LavarManos are:

- Consensus reads
- Attacking his SR for contradiction
- Posts do not come from town (?)

Uh...TMI as a scumtell crushes all of these reasons. I have been paying attention to your SR on Pragdoid/Lavar and I disagree with these reasons.

2. Wait, what? I'm not quite understanding this, but what I can say is your attack on Pragdoid is much, much weaker than TMI in any scenario.

3. I don't think I can change your mind about this, but I'll try one more time:

Purposely making bad reads is faking reads, and that is just not ok from a towny perspective. You just never, ever, fake reads. If you have good reads, share them. Then, people can interact with your true reads rather than faking all of your reads and making a garbage readlist.

Sigh. Hopefully this is the end to this argument. It's been going on for too long and has done nothing for town. Just pretend my vote is on Rock rn, I don't want to put him in hammer range again. I still don't understand his defense against my attack, but I want someone else to check it for themselves, as this argument has become increasingly confbiased for both sides. smh.

I don't get it, TMI does NOT

crush

all of these reasons in this case. My scumlean on you was simply because you didn't connect the dots. That points to a higher likelihood of being scum but it's still possible to miss something like that as town. I found Pragdoid's opportunistic SR on clidd worse. And no, this isn't your generic 'faking reads', I was going to point out that it wasn't serious anyway.

But yeah this is getting boring. I'll just leave it at that.

[ben dover123]

EBWOP: I hate the double posting thing. Ignore it please.

[Trendall]

yeah this is getting boring

Dunno how you hung in there for that long lol

[clidd]

so I don't really fakeclaim as mafia tbh.

I would basically have believed this if it didn't have 'tbh' written after it but that always throws me off. Not terribly confident but you're probably telling the truth here.

Who wants to get Chumbo?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Chumbo

[Rockhopper]

Rockhopper:Why did you vote chumbo?
I think chumbo is strong town lean and some other people also think so.

Scummiest on my wagon imo

[clidd]

Why isn't Rock dead yet..

[Trendall]

To me he's town and that's just a waste of an elimination.

[ben dover123]

Why isn't Rock dead yet..

We aren't hammering him until everyone passes over your cc. That's a guarantee I can give at the very least.

[clidd]

10/10 reads lol

[Trendall]

That's a guarantee I can give at the very least.

You can't guarantee this when there are eight other players in the game whose behaviour you have no control over.