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[Iconeum]

i think, expressing my viewpoint here is on balance helpful because no one is on ABR's side atm. if im wrong and my points are all BS then the ABR yeet will still go through. im gonna go back to playing devil's advocate in the meantime.

forgot to reiterate ABR's "giving up" lately really could just be him being busy.

and also the point about him not dying instead of datisi, well he's getting a ton of heat today, maybe scum are setting him up as the ML and messed with the RB in some weird way.

i understand the point you are making about ABR, but like
me just came out of a game where my scum partner made a really strange (yet funny) fake claim very early. I'm not saying we lost because of it, but it made massclaim something weird much like here

[Iconeum]

The entire point of a big move like his claim is to buy a big bank of town cred and try to sail that ship to the end.

Scum knew for sure town had a roleblocker yesterday, so ABR's intent with the "I'll check IV" stuff was always to claim he was roleblocked. Then when the roleblocker claimed, he could have a 1v1 by claiming that person was a scum roleblocker.

He wasn't counting on me being a friendly neighbor as well, which is why we see the complete collapse.

This is all completely within the range of scum play for anyone who has been around the block enough times.

VP knows what's up

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw my thing I was reserving earlier, which probably doesn’t matter now, was given Gypyx being known for crazy setups I had no reservations about anticipating the backup RB being a red herring

[Iconeum]

I'm not going to have time to catch up. IV is right on all points. IV has 2 votes today.

Since he isn't voting anyone yet, I will:

VOTE: Gamma

VPB if town get your head outta your ass I am obviously not competent enough as scum to pull this off.

This is telling enough, no? When I called ABR out to case VP, they backed down. Now they vote gamma without the slightest hint of a case.

[Iconeum]

dude you can't possibly think he didn't see FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR as part of the claim

He said I was fake claiming, so he saw the claim.

EXACTLY

[DeasVail]

I think Dunn is a prime example of scumbuddy who saw team-mate ABR as a goner and so gave up on him, only to jump to juicy alternative option (me) as soon as it looked possible that ABR might survive. Because it is not consistent with how Dunn has been talking about the game.

[Iconeum]

Idk what a friendly neighbor is, but why cant VP be a scum neighborizer?

How is it possible we have a tracker, detective, and a role that is confirmable?

It's impossible.

you know what a town does when they see a claim they don't recognize?

1)they go look it up
2)they ask in game what it does/means
3)theu assume it's a fake claim and push the slot

i'll give a hint: 1 option isn't townie

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Dunn is a prime example of scumbuddy who saw team-mate ABR as a goner and so gave up on him, only to jump to juicy alternative option (me) as soon as it looked possible that ABR might survive. Because it is not consistent with how Dunn has been talking about the game.

Dunn/ABR/IV
Too easy?

[DeasVail]

I'm not sure about IV

[DeasVail]

There's a very real possibility imo that IV is actually just out of the loop

[Iconeum]

can someone unvote so he's not at E-1 please, i just don't want scum to lolhammer because deadline and that he's a scummy slot

i get that we have 2 days, i will *try* to devote some attention here later today or tomorrow

still think we should elim in {DV, Ico, MWB, Gamma}

no

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk what a friendly neighbor is, but why cant VP be a scum neighborizer?

How is it possible we have a tracker, detective, and a role that is confirmable?

It's impossible.

you know what a town does when they see a claim they don't recognize?

1)they go look it up
2)they ask in game what it does/means
3)theu assume it's a fake claim and push the slot

i'll give a hint: 1 option isn't townie

Also, ABR claiming he’s never encountered FN feels fake as shit
Like, he’s been around for a while, NO WAY he’s never even seen the role in casual conversation

[Albert B. Rampage]

i don't know what to think right now i'm sorry i'm gonna sleep on it

im scared

If you are town you have the solve because IV has found them all out.

Gamma, DV and Ico. It's them. Just them.

Everything is on you, I have come out of d2 saying you were town and yelling as hard as I could to protect you at all cost. Don't you dare betray the trust I put in you.

I am too angry to fucking play this.

If you betray me after I called you town all this time, first of all, that's terrible and you should be ashamed of yourself. But you have to defend yourself against the scum triumvirate and stop them from wiping us flawlessly with their shitty day play.

I am so mad we let scum get this far. I cant play this game anymore. I wont even read anymore.

I am out guys. I leave it to you PETAPAN DONT YOU FUCKING VOTE ME YOU HAMMER DESVAIL TOMORROW and then we fucking win this stupid game like the glorious bastards we are!!!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

There's a very real possibility imo that IV is actually just out of the loop

I don’t think someone out of the loop go in so deep in a devil’s advocate gambit

[Iconeum]

Gamma is sure to flip scum. My emotions aren't fake, go to hell.

you have literally

posted nothing as to why gamma would be scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

The entire point of a big move like his claim is to buy a big bank of town cred and try to sail that ship to the end.

Scum knew for sure town had a roleblocker yesterday, so ABR's intent with the "I'll check IV" stuff was always to claim he was roleblocked. Then when the roleblocker claimed, he could have a 1v1 by claiming that person was a scum roleblocker.

He wasn't counting on me being a friendly neighbor as well, which is why we see the complete collapse.

This is all completely within the range of scum play for anyone who has been around the block enough times.

VP knows what's up

Vpb you are sucking the scums fucking rods and riding them so fucking hard they are playing you dude

Hammer desvail right now and we win you idiot

[DeasVail]

There's a very real possibility imo that IV is actually just out of the loop

I don’t think someone out of the loop go in so deep in a devil’s advocate gambit

IV's posting has been setting off so many alarm bells for me, like seriously, but it's gotten so far beyond the point of ridiculous that I can't help but question it

[DeasVail]

Hammer desvail right now and we win you idiot

this is not how mafia works

[Gamma Emerald]

ABR you’re already hammered I’m p sure
Go home.

[VP Baltar]

You folks gonna listen to confirmed town or someone who led you to back to back misyeets?

I trusted ABR too despite my D1 gut. There's no shame in that. Believing him now is fucking stupid though.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Im outta here and i hope i dont come back until day 4 because you wille experience my wrath when i actually read the game

[Albert B. Rampage]

Im not hammered what are you talking about

[Albert B. Rampage]

You folks gonna listen to confirmed town or someone who led you to back to back misyeets?

I trusted ABR too despite my D1 gut. There's no shame in that. Believing him now is fucking stupid though.

SURPRISE SURPRISE I AM TOWN

[Iconeum]

ico is probably going to say the same thing

literally the only point i'd have taken on ABR being town is 'scum don't make that kind of fake claim so early', but i've VERY recently seen that just isn't true

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh Dunn switched
PETA pls hammer the obvscum