Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[clidd]

@Trendal and Ben, do you guys have any takes on these "town"slips from Lone?

[Battle Mage]

so I'm at like E-2 because apparently I'm not "taking the game seriously" and "going to coast and do nothing" despite being VLA for weekend and then coming back and posting lots of analysis and thoughts last night, with the promise of finishing the 2nd half of my read-through tonight?

either people with unrealistic activity standards or just not reading what I have posted and cruising on an outdated "BM is absent" read.

If I ain't dead, I'll be back tonight.

[ben dover123]

But isn't rockhopper more suspicious?I mean now it seems

Yeah, a couple of people find it that way, including me, but I'm trying to keep a open mind and I'll see if I change my mind about him soon.

I see rock's posts as townie. I think it's a bit melodramatic for clidd to get so frustrated and claim, and for rock to say "just kill me"... I don't think either of them was the most voted person at the time they did that.

Rock was at E-2, clidd was at E-3 btw.
This "just kill me" act is probably over the top for Rock. Using Occam's razor this just comes from town. I've had to face this scenario before and when the newbie who was the top elimination was starting to get defeated, I got town pings from him and then he flipped town. I can show my meta research on him, but he does AtE as town, some of his other behavior doesn't match line for line but it's pretty close. If he was scum, I think he could have waited a little longer yet to show AtE, because it isn't like all of town is against him here.

Are we even going to eliminate someone day 1 because I can think of no one likely to be scum!

Hot take: We never "no-elimination" Day 1.

We could also accept the fact that I'm clear, btw.

I haven't seen any ccs so far, why wait more?

The last person for the CC check is BM, but I think you are 80% cleared should he not CC you. 20% being somehow you got the odds right and we are in Cop 9. I will cry foul if you actually betted having Cop 9 as setup.

lol

Hey Lavar, I don't particularly suspect you, but this comment after my claim followed by total silence was a ping. Just for the record.

Yeah, Lavar has been doing that on-off behavior recently. He started off so proactive and then it all died down in a matter of days. Doesn't quite ping me right.

Can the doctor protect himself?

Yes, I can.

... Self-protection isn't on for Doctor.

@Trendal and Ben, do you guys have any takes on these "town"slips from Lone?

I'll look back at them, I'm fairly certain they come from newbie town perspective, like the masons post. I think that Lone wouldn't attempt to rolefish because newbie scum rarely like taking big plays during the day, and the post probably comes from newbie town trying to make connections through PR's. Nothing more than that.

[clidd]

so I'm at like E-2 because apparently I'm not "taking the game seriously" and "going to coast and do nothing" despite being VLA for weekend and then coming back and posting lots of analysis and thoughts last night, with the promise of finishing the 2nd half of my read-through tonight?

either people with unrealistic activity standards or just not reading what I have posted and cruising on an outdated "BM is absent" read.

If I ain't dead, I'll be back tonight.

I don't think that any of your analysis is pro-town in a way that I can only imagine Town!BM doing it and that's a problem.

But we aren't going to do a flash-elimination on you, if you're worried. You can still talk your way out.

[ben dover123]

Wait, town BM doesn't do analysis?

Also, scum are narrowed down to {Rock, BM, Lavar, Chumbo (maybe)}. This is a pretty good PoE pool, wouldn't you say?

[clidd]

The last person for the CC check is BM, but I think you are 80% cleared should he not CC you. 20% being somehow you got the odds right and we are in Cop 9. I will cry foul if you actually betted having Cop 9 as setup.

Hmmm, that's out of my league, tbh.

My scumgame is more simple, I don't like gambits.

[clidd]

Wait, town BM doesn't do analysis?

Also, scum are narrowed down to {Rock, BM, Lavar, Chumbo (maybe)}. This is a pretty good PoE pool, wouldn't you say?

He does, but you can see by tone when it's town!him doing it.

Yes, pretty good PoE.

[ben dover123]

The last person for the CC check is BM, but I think you are 80% cleared should he not CC you. 20% being somehow you got the odds right and we are in Cop 9. I will cry foul if you actually betted having Cop 9 as setup.

Hmmm, that's out of my league, tbh.

My scumgame is more simple, I don't like gambits.

I wouldn't deny the chance of you not taking gambits. I find that you were a little too active and your pocketing was a questionable decision as PR, so I'm not sure what you were aiming for with those decisions...

[clidd]

Maybe my mentality is always of vanilla, so I play within the same concept regardless of being PR or not.

And pocket is something you can do as town too, but you're sus of it because all of that stuff about my meta.

[ben dover123]

Maybe my mentality is always of vanilla, so I play within the same concept regardless of being PR or not.

And pocket is something you can do as town too, but you're sus of it because all of that stuff about my meta.

Oh ho, so you do accept the fact that you were pocketing me. Huh, that explains a bit. Well, I've never seen a town use pocketing before, because if they are towny enough they should be able to get people on their side regardless of pocketing.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.7

[3] Battle Mage (Trendall, clidd, LoneMarkhor)
[2] Rockhopper (Chumbo, LavarManos)
[1] Chumbo (Rockhopper)
[1] clidd (Battle Mage)
[1] Trendall (Lunar Martian)

[1] Not Voting (ben dover123)

With 9 alive, it is 5 to eliminate.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-12 08:30:00)

[clidd]

I mean, nothing was posed, I was sincere in praising your meta analysis.

[clidd]

The only problem was the bias thing, it was getting on my nerves lol

[clidd]

[1] clidd (Battle Mage)

Hum.

Is he even reading ?

[ben dover123]

[1] clidd (Battle Mage)

Hum.

Is he even reading ?

Be patient. He will see you claim at some point.

tbh I could go one step up and remove Chumbo from the PoE, but I don't think he is allowed to leave yet.

The thing is, {Lavar, Rock} just doesn't work. Lavar brought Rock to E-1, which is just not going to happen from scum Lavar and scum Rock. So, if Chumbo was to be removed from the PoE, BM is lockscum.

Chumbo's recent actions are getting less towny, which is the problem with removing him from the PoE rn. Earlier I would have gotten him out of the PoE for being newbie town, but I have noticed he has gone back into the shadows and isn't really showing me newbie town vibes anymore. So, if Chumbo can show he is still the newbie town I once saw, BM is lockscum from here on out (assuming you are the doctor, which is like 90% guaranteed at this point)

[Lunar Martian]

Question: why is clidd lying?

[ben dover123]

Question: why is clidd lying?

Wait, what do you mean?

[ben dover123]

EBWOP: Where is he lying? That is my question.

Are you talking about the claim?

[clidd]

I think he wants to understand how it would be possible for me to lie about a claim as scum.

[ben dover123]

I think he wants to understand how it would be possible for me to lie about a claim as scum.

I don't think that is what he was aiming for. The way his question is worded it sounds like he is going to CC you.

[ben dover123]

EBWOP: Oh wait, I'm dumb. You mean, "why could clidd be lying about his claim" kind of thing, right?

[clidd]

Yeah, probably something like "how can clidd lie here without getting cc'd if he's scum"

[Lunar Martian]

I am not counterclaiming. It has been pointed out that clidd is lying about an aspect of his claim. Clidd, why are you lying?

[ben dover123]

I am not counterclaiming. It has been pointed out that clidd is lying about an aspect of his claim. Clidd, why are you lying?

Wait, what aspect of his claim? I don't understand. The only way we can prove that clidd's claim is 100% false is if Jailkeeper, Mason, Town Friendly Neighbor, or the real Doctor speaks up. If none of these happen, then either

clidd got insanely lucky and we are in cop 9 or he is the real doctor. Of course, it could be possible that the real doctor or a PR that can CC this claim doesn't want to speak up, but they should, because if clidd's claim is nullfied

then clidd may be scum. I don't think anyone has said that clidd is lying about an aspect of his claim? We have been considering if he could possibly be scum trying to out a PR here though.

[LavarManos]

I may sound like a pedant, but it wouldn't actually be a Cop9er setup. Cop9 has a free green check while this setup would not.