BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me [END]

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

Can you expand on your understanding of shelly scum? Does shelly as scum approach her theory that gx is locktown based on flavor and claim as she does as scum?

[Gypyx]

(nods and takes notes like i understand entirely the mechanics of what might've happened) (i am still mildly confused about the gambit thing but i don't think it's something i Have to understand?)

the loyal fruit vendor is the strongest town investigative role claimed to date. Gambiting fruit receptions when there's a missing fruit reception has two potential scum benefits:
1) it can make the results of that investigative role less certain (meaning a guilty on bell would be less certain)
2) it can misdirect results, makings someone guilty appear to be innocent (as HBB could be doing for himself)

so gambiting fruit vendor receptions can very easily be a game winning strategy for scum, hence why HBB's claim of reception does need scrutiny.

Thinking about it more, there are some concerns here. Namely this now requires two different behaviors for a scum variant:
-the scum have a CONFIRMED ability to kill commuting players (shoshin)
-scum have a SUSPECTED ability to bus drive players (HBB's claim of fruit reception)

that being the case, HBB's claim seems much weaker compared to the death of Shoshin, and given *there can only be one variant scum role* (since the town variant of pelican already flipped) this does create the risk that HBB is just lying scum in this scenario

Or hold on : additional setup spec time

Maybe scum has a bus driver that can bus drive commuted peoples out of the parralel universe ? That way it would be both the strongman and the driver

Although that means HBB is fake... i'll try to go away from pushing him

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

that doesn't really work, or at least it kinda doesn't work, because then shoshin should have received the fruit since presumably they then would have bussed Bell with Shoshin and then targeted uhhh Bell for the kill to kill Shoshin?

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

or at least that scenario would require HBB to be lying scum

[Boonskiies]

Day 3

Vote Count 3.02

Bell [4]:

BrightEyedFish, Shellyc, Ydrasse, Gypyx,

BrightEyedFish [1]:

Bell

Not Voting [5]:

Aristophanes, TheGoldenParadox, Samantha97, Happy Birthday Boonskiies, Happy Unbirthday Boon,

With

10

alive, it takes

6

to

Fade Into Obscurity

.

Day 3

ends in

(expired on 2020-12-17 20:00:00)

on

December 17th.

Mod Notes

:

[shellyc]

bells wall makes no sense if bell is town

it literally almost shades everyone in the plist at one point

[shellyc]

This may be dumb but I am wondering whether bell is totally unable to spell the name of the person he just nightkilled lol

bell spelt multiple names wrong

its Bell/TGP/Vax with Ari is 3p. sheep me and we win

[shellyc]

TGP has been very lackluster and has basically gone with the thread consensus each day.

town!Bell not caring all game but suddenly posting a huge wall to talk his way out of a guilty doesn't make sense. Bell also perspective slipped these few pages multiple times. Motive of scum!BEF claiming a guilt on Bell is nonexistent.

Ydrasse, HBB locktown. HUB also locktown.

[shellyc]

Ydrasse town links to rxn of my dayvig. I think scum!enabler Ydrasse dying/on the brink of dying would be "ok its fine at least the commuters are shut down"

instead of this emotional response

HBB!scum would interfere with Bell!scum's plans to talk out of a guilt. No scum agenda to claim fruit and give setup info of BD. Therefore town

HUB!town I'm ever-so-slightly less sure on. I don't see scum!HUB pushing the brakes WHILE calling Bell scum, that's like bussing without the cred

Bell also TMI slipped by stating tmr as lylo.

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

I remember feeling pretty strong on TGP town, I could be wrong

why are you so strong on Ari 3p?

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

oh right, Bell assumed 4-man scumteam, is that what you mean by the slip? I don't think assuming 4 man scumteam is a terrible idea in a 15p game, although it seems kinda off on numbers (from a theory perspective you really should have at least 16 for a 4-man scumteam) if you don't think there's a 3p it would kinda make sense. I could see 3-man + traitor or something

I haven't like several of his responses here tonally although I'm curious what else you're point to as perspective slips?

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

I'd also like full readslist from Sam since she should in theory be tonight's kill unless I'm actually right and Bell is the strongman

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

One concern with HBB would be that the logic of gambiting a fruit reception would be similar to the logic necessary to kill Shoshin last night

[samantha97]

I'd also like full readslist from Sam since she should in theory be tonight's kill unless I'm actually right and Bell is the strongman

before that, here is my immediate concern, being enough of a nerd that this is what I woke up thinking about in bed:

Bell - vanilla
TheGoldenParadox - vanilla
Happy Unbirthday Boon - vanilla
Shellyc - commuter
Gypyx - commuter
Ydrasse - commuter enabler
BrightEyedFish - fruit vendor
Aristophanes - ???
Happy Birthday Boonskiies - ???

now if you divide that into these 2 categories...

|can't target|
Bell - vanilla
TheGoldenParadox - vanilla
Happy Unbirthday Boon - vanilla
Shellyc - commuter
Gypyx - commuter
Ydrasse - commuter enabler

|can target|
BrightEyedFish - fruit vendor
+
ThePelicanBrief - voyeur (dead)
Ircher - hider (dead)


you can see something is tentatively wrong with the roleclaims, depending on aristophanes and hbb

why? because my role needs not only roles that can target to work, but roles that give feedback when targeting, and it doesn't make sense for that to be just brighteyedfish, who said he was non-consecutive on top of it, and pelican

[shellyc]

scum roles

[Gypyx]

But the magical fairy is pretty synergistic with BEF's role, like, it *might* be some kind of some mod-provided fake claim but i doubt it

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

I like both HUB and Ydrasse more for town now due to recent pages. shelly is still very town.

mech is like my weakest point in mafia probably, I can be good at it if it especially interests me or I devote some time into thinking about it, but usually I feel too lazy and uninterested to do it, and I'm not going to bother and do a half-attempt at it.

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

hbb is town i want to believe i want to believe... but at the cost of sam being town too...... (a single tear falls from my eyes)

You SHOULD believe and your belief will be rewarded
(assuming you are town and this isn't a birthday ploy)

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Let's have a look at Bell's wall...

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Oo I like Bell for town now. He wrote out that wall in 13 minutes according timestamps, and it reads very much as a frustrated you're all bad and misreading me and this is why you're bad or scum kind of stream of consciousness, and thanks to Gypyx seems sincere (who is very possibly scum btw and I kinda forgot about him).

Also, if the only explanation for my fruit is a bus drive since no one is claiming it Bell isn't even guiltied anymore. We should be reading him off of content rather than anything else
Wait, but then I think Samantha, Ydrasse, and HUB all look like town so what am I even doing in terms of suspects
Oh, Ari
VOTE: Aristophanes

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Oh yeah, Paradox exists as well

HUB, what's your intel on Ydrasse? Are you still VT, or did you realise something overnight?

Let's get this massclaim rolling.

HBB you claim vt ?

And a modified bus driver maybe?

Or hbb / bell are just buddies

Not claiming yet

You think I'm covering for Bell by claiming I also recieved fruit when I didn't?

yeahh i'm inclined to agree with gypyx here that hbb and bell are buddies

we have one scum dead and a bunch of tprs which implies 4 scum

is ari/bell/hbb just the solve

This take from town!Gypyx I can get, sure. But seeing this from a much more experienced mech/player in general in Paradox is worrying. It's very surface level and too confident, without considering any of the other possibilities

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Ydrasse, what was wrong with me asking for massclaim to continue? There's only 2 or 3 slots that haven't claimed. I'm fine with not claiming though if you guys don't need it.

Bell's wall was actually written in 23 minutes

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

although it implies Bell scum because scum are more likely to bus drive one town and one scum. In fact frankly I would think it would make Bell more likely the scum strongman, since scum would actively want the strongman alive so would make him a higher priority for the bus drive

Oh, this is a good point. Scum would want to drive a scum and a town in case of any investigative stuff, and the way the bus drive is "balanced" is because the loyal fruit vendor is an investigative where you can actually find out a bus drive happened the next day if the vendor gets a false result.

The mechcase for Bell being more likely scum is there I guess

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

if you sent me something and i didn't get it i have an assumption on why

commuter enabler

that's why i know the commuter claims are real but why i also think that one of them might be scum? because like, fmpov if scum killed me they lose the power they had to preserve/hide themselves in the future from pr

+ that is also why i don't know if i was actually forced to commute or not

What did you mean by this? You

enable

commuters, you don't commute yourself, so what's your assumption on why you wouldn't receive something?

[BrightEyedFish]

There's no interference

He seems pretty sure.