Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[Trendall]

Question: why is clidd lying?

He's mafia

[Trendall]

so I'm at like E-2 because apparently I'm not "taking the game seriously" and "going to coast and do nothing" despite being VLA for weekend and then coming back and posting lots of analysis and thoughts last night, with the promise of finishing the 2nd half of my read-through tonight?

either people with unrealistic activity standards or just not reading what I have posted and cruising on an outdated "BM is absent" read.

If I ain't dead, I'll be back tonight.

so I'm at like E-2 because apparently I'm not "taking the game seriously" and "going to coast and do nothing" despite being VLA for weekend and then coming back and posting lots of analysis and thoughts last night, with the promise of finishing the 2nd half of my read-through tonight? either people with unrealistic activity standards or just not reading what I have posted and cruising on an outdated "BM is absent" read. If I ain't dead, I'll be back tonight.

I don't think any of this btw, that's not why I'm voting you. I honestly just think people should leave each other alone to post whenever they like, and if there's a problem the moderator can deal with it. I said in one of the bigger games, it was actually hard to get a word in edgeways in between the relentless stream of posts complaining about people not providing enough content.

[ben dover123]

I may sound like a pedant, but it wouldn't actually be a Cop9er setup. Cop9 has a free green check while this setup would not.

Um, ok...not really a necessary comment. Who do you think is scum now?

Question: why is clidd lying?

He's mafia

Wait, what?

[Chumbo]

I think it lacks explanation to place Rock at E-1, but I suppose that may be how they just play. I think that E-1 votes have to be good, because that puts a possible miselim in hammer range, which is bad.

I don't really see E-1 votes as something that has to have an awesome reason, but I do think you should announce when you put someone there.

But I'm really working under the assumption that clidd is maf so we'll see how that pans out.

Why would you work under this assumption? What would change in your eyes if clidd isn't mafia?

Yes, I can.

Did you read your role PM? I don't know what type of move this is.

The last person for the CC check is BM, but I think you are 80% cleared should he not CC you. 20% being somehow you got the odds right and we are in Cop 9. I will cry foul if you actually betted having Cop 9 as setup.

Personally I'd consider BM to have not cc'd by now. If he knows he's at E-2 he's had to have seen the claim or people talking about it. Not sure why he's still voting you though.

I'm getting a little bit worried about Lone now, he seems to just want to coast on by with an elimination joining both the rockhopper and BM wagons without saying much that wasn't just regurgitated from other players.
Also, clidd needs to learn patience.

[Chumbo]

Wait, what?

he still thinks clidd is mafia, look at what I said in my post I just made.

[Trendall]

Why would you work under this assumption? What would change in your eyes if clidd isn't mafia?

Because clidd is by far the most disingenuous person in the game right now. If he's not mafia then that would mean mafia is somewhere within the remaining seven players from my perspective.

[Chumbo]

If that is the case, why not just go for clidd? How is going for his supposed scumbuddy a reasonable move?

[Trendall]

Cause I'd rather not lynch a doctor claim right now.

[Chumbo]

I understand that, but why use clidd!scum as a basis for your current PoE?

[ben dover123]

I think it lacks explanation to place Rock at E-1, but I suppose that may be how they just play. I think that E-1 votes have to be good, because that puts a possible miselim in hammer range, which is bad.

I don't really see E-1 votes as something that has to have an awesome reason, but I do think you should announce when you put someone there.

But I'm really working under the assumption that clidd is maf so we'll see how that pans out.

Why would you work under this assumption? What would change in your eyes if clidd isn't mafia?

Yes, I can.

Did you read your role PM? I don't know what type of move this is.

The last person for the CC check is BM, but I think you are 80% cleared should he not CC you. 20% being somehow you got the odds right and we are in Cop 9. I will cry foul if you actually betted having Cop 9 as setup.

Personally I'd consider BM to have not cc'd by now. If he knows he's at E-2 he's had to have seen the claim or people talking about it. Not sure why he's still voting you though.

I'm getting a little bit worried about Lone now, he seems to just want to coast on by with an elimination joining both the rockhopper and BM wagons without saying much that wasn't just regurgitated from other players.
Also, clidd needs to learn patience.

I have no clue why clidd told lone that doc can self-protect, when that is obviously wrong. Is this a scumslip?

BM is voting clidd now

Yeah. I originally TR'ed lone for being newb town, especially with that masons post, but I may have to review his townslips all over again.

[Trendall]

I understand that, but why use clidd!scum as a basis for your current PoE?

Because I think that he's the most likely player to be mafia.

[Trendall]

A doctor cannot target themselves, so that can't self-protect, I just looked this up on the wiki.

[ben dover123]

I understand that, but why use clidd!scum as a basis for your current PoE?

Because I think that he's the most likely player to be mafia.

Whaaa...

I still don't get this chain of logic. You think clidd is most likely player to be mafia, but you still don't want to eliminate him because he is a uncontested doctor claim? I thought you chased your SR's really hard...

A doctor cannot target themselves, so that can't self-protect, I just looked this up on the wiki.

It is in the sample role PM as well.

[Lunar Martian]

A doctor cannot target themselves, so that can't self-protect, I just looked this up on the wiki.

And clidd, the doctor would know that. Hence clidd is lying. The question is: why?

[Trendall]

I still don't get this chain of logic. You think clidd is most likely player to be mafia, but you still don't want to eliminate him because he is a uncontested doctor claim? I thought you chased your SR's really hard...

No I go after people in proportion to the degree of confidence that I have in my reads I think, and with this one I'm aware that I could have got this whole game completely upside down and wrong so far right now, so I'd rather just get a villager.

[ben dover123]

A doctor cannot target themselves, so that can't self-protect, I just looked this up on the wiki.

And clidd, the doctor would know that. Hence clidd is lying. The question is: why?

Oh, now I understand, Lunar. Yeah, I was wondering about this too. As a doctor with a doctor role PM, he had to have seen it once to confirm his rule. And then, he says:

Can the doctor protect himself?

Yes, I can.

When the role PM says:

Town Doctor

Welcome!

You are a

Town Doctor

.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase.

You cannot target yourself.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Notice the bold part, in particular.

Ok, I side with Lunar for this one. Why would you lie to LoneMarkhor, clidd?

[Trendall]

Realistically, people make mistakes like that all the time. However, how many people have ever played a game of mafia, either on this forum or anywhere else, where the doctor can protect themselves? Like I don't think I've ever come across that.

[Chumbo]

But let's just not talk about that, ok?

he also says this in the next post

[clidd]

Question: why is clidd lying?

He's mafia

Why would you work under this assumption? What would change in your eyes if clidd isn't mafia?

Because clidd is by far the most disingenuous person in the game right now. If he's not mafia then that would mean mafia is somewhere within the remaining seven players from my perspective.

If that is the case, why not just go for clidd? How is going for his supposed scumbuddy a reasonable move?

I understand that, but why use clidd!scum as a basis for your current PoE?

Because I think that he's the most likely player to be mafia.

A doctor cannot target themselves, so that can't self-protect, I just looked this up on the wiki.

And clidd, the doctor would know that. Hence clidd is lying. The question is: why?

Realistically, people make mistakes like that all the time. However, how many people have ever played a game of mafia, either on this forum or anywhere else, where the doctor can protect themselves? Like I don't think I've ever come across that.

[clidd]

1- I was testing reactions, I know what my role can do.

2- Why is people sus of me based on 10-20% or less of chance?

3- Can we like, stop talking about my claim and stuff. I feel like we are giving maf info by doing it.

[ben dover123]

Realistically, people make mistakes like that all the time. However, how many people have ever played a game of mafia, either on this forum or anywhere else, where the doctor can protect themselves? Like I don't think I've ever come across that.

666th post.

Doctor self-protect is just never a thing. Plus, clidd has played many games, I assume, so he should have experience with this kind of stuff.

The post from Lone gives me town pings though. I wouldn't be surprised if clidd thought Lone was rolefishing again and wanted to know if he could kill clidd during the night and clidd couldn't self protect. That may explain why clidd lied, but I want the real reasons, because I just don't think Lone would ask that question in the thread when 1. he was already caught for potential rolefishing in his masons post, and 2. The info is just in the role PM tab, and he probably would have asked his partner first..

But let's just not talk about that, ok?

he also says this in the next post

Yeah, but this is kind of NAI since Doctors don't want to talk about their ability anyways.

Pedit: Uh. You didn't get any reactions from that, you know.

Because there are a couple things that just don't line up with your PR claim tbh.

[clidd]

And there is a small chance that both maf were newbies that didn't know much about roles, so I could live N1.

[Trendall]

I was testing reactions

Lol, no.

[clidd]

C'mon, can we just stop tripping over our own feets? we are regressing in the game.

[Trendall]

And there is a small chance that both maf were newbies that didn't know much about roles, so I could live N1.

Plausible, but then why didn't you preempt me or somebody else correcting you?