Micro 984: my beautiful dark twisted familytree [COMPLETE]

[DkKoba]

The suggestion was a natural d1 with a first right of refusal from an IC to swerve the elim if desired. For now, I think it's fair to say don't hammer until town parents have had a chance to weigh in and no claims before 24 hours remaining is fine.

Are you still of the opinion you have a solid tell on me Math?

What is up with both you and Koba saying I say tell when I don’t?

I don’t really follow the second two premises of your Punnet Square. They seem disconnected. I may just be being stupid intentionally *shrug*.. I thought it best to leave alone for now.

In the wake of Police Academy you had said you had a solid scumtell to use on me. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away (due to galactic drift), but I was wondering if you still have that opinion or not.

wrt the logic behind mislimming PB being a positive, it's an in joke. We had like 4 games in a row where I led a mislim on him and then we won for a completely unrelated reason. And also I may have modded a game where he got dayvigged before his first post.

This is a public Jingle alt, btw. not sure if you knew that.

was that dayvig game where marquis dayvigged scum immediately because i have read through a lot of games for meta in a few recent towngames

i remember that one game and it was funny bc it was a "rvs" dayvig lmfao

[MathBlade]

I am not sure I follow. “This game is the real game?”

We're playing the game multiple times, and there's only a chance that this is the one that matters. No one knows, other than knowing which game number they submitted to be the "Real Game" and so saving setup spec to obfuscate but bringing it up in what is likely not a game that needs to be won seems iffy at best to me.

The real game? What are you talking about? I am just playing to win.
Are some people not?

[Bingle]

I think MB is moonlogicking right now, but I also think

VOTE: Koba

[Bingle]

- only the last iteration of this game will count. however, since it is secret, any iteration of the game may be the last, even the first.

[MathBlade]

The suggestion was a natural d1 with a first right of refusal from an IC to swerve the elim if desired. For now, I think it's fair to say don't hammer until town parents have had a chance to weigh in and no claims before 24 hours remaining is fine.

Are you still of the opinion you have a solid tell on me Math?

What is up with both you and Koba saying I say tell when I don’t?

I don’t really follow the second two premises of your Punnet Square. They seem disconnected. I may just be being stupid intentionally *shrug*.. I thought it best to leave alone for now.

In the wake of Police Academy you had said you had a solid scumtell to use on me. It was a long time ago in a galaxy far far away (due to galactic drift), but I was wondering if you still have that opinion or not.

wrt the logic behind mislimming PB being a positive, it's an in joke. We had like 4 games in a row where I led a mislim on him and then we won for a completely unrelated reason. And also I may have modded a game where he got dayvigged before his first post.

This is a public Jingle alt, btw. not sure if you knew that.

Interesting indeed. Jingle jingle.

[Bingle]

I'm playing to win the iteration that matters over any other iteration. I will still try in iterations I believe are unlikely to matter, as I have no real guarantee they don't, but I'm also setting up for future games that I think are more likely to be important.

[Bingle]

was that dayvig game where marquis dayvigged scum immediately because i have read through a lot of games for meta in a few recent towngames

Nah, it was a micro where scummastina dayvigged PB in literally the first post of the game. It was beautiful.

[DkKoba]

having a clear decide a lim has never been anti town lol

i have a lot of experience with open setups from playing on epicmafia and optimal strategy has nearly always been narrowed down to a clear claiming at some point and/or a cc happening.

this is open setup philosophy 101.

Lol I’ve probably been playing mafia longer than you’ve been alive (or close to it).
Once a clear happens yes, they decide the elim.
However forcing said clear is a problem.

You need to go back to open 101. No claiming without provocation.

thats semi open/closed game philosophy.

open games depend fully on the setup but overall clears are preferred to lead. with a player at the table that is vulnerable to dying and taking 2 more people with them, effectively shoving us into lylo. it is preferable to do the +EV thing and prevent that player from being forced to claim

you really do sound like you want to keep the possibility of the town child being forced to claim an open possibility.

[MathBlade]

I'm playing to win the iteration that matters over any other iteration. I will still try in iterations I believe are unlikely to matter, as I have no real guarantee they don't, but I'm also setting up for future games that I think are more likely to be important.

Oh I am just playing to win all the games.
If I happen to win two lose last I am counting it as winning two losing one.

[DkKoba]

I'm playing to win the iteration that matters over any other iteration. I will still try in iterations I believe are unlikely to matter, as I have no real guarantee they don't, but I'm also setting up for future games that I think are more likely to be important.

same. im more interested in mechs in these first 2 game and im going to start being worried in iteration 3 onwards, thats where the danger zone starts to come into play i feel. i feel like 3-5 is where we will fall wrt final game.

[DkKoba]

I'm playing to win the iteration that matters over any other iteration. I will still try in iterations I believe are unlikely to matter, as I have no real guarantee they don't, but I'm also setting up for future games that I think are more likely to be important.

Oh I am just playing to win all the games.
If I happen to win two lose last I am counting it as winning two losing one.

mathblade: reality is whatever i want it to be

[Pink Ball]

And also I may have modded a game where he got dayvigged before his first post.

My revenge will be sweet as hell.

Do me a solid and be town this game please.

[DkKoba]

what happened to mini normal 2179 math? i want that math here right now

[Bingle]

Ah. I have a bell curve I've decided on to model how much I think a game is likely to matter. Game 1 was almost impossible to be the real game, and the game I submitted is my peak. I will of course be adjusting as games end, but guessing who would choose what game is also interesting to me so I'm taking that as as much of the setup as the actual setup.

[DkKoba]

im still sad i forgot to submit my number, which would have been 7.

[DkKoba]

I think MB is moonlogicking right now, but I also think

VOTE: Koba

i think i know why but i wont press the matter gonna keep playing normally and see if i need to come back to this and question it further

[MathBlade]

having a clear decide a lim has never been anti town lol

i have a lot of experience with open setups from playing on epicmafia and optimal strategy has nearly always been narrowed down to a clear claiming at some point and/or a cc happening.

this is open setup philosophy 101.

Lol I’ve probably been playing mafia longer than you’ve been alive (or close to it).
Once a clear happens yes, they decide the elim.
However forcing said clear is a problem.

You need to go back to open 101. No claiming without provocation.

thats semi open/closed game philosophy.

open games depend fully on the setup but overall clears are preferred to lead. with a player at the table that is vulnerable to dying and taking 2 more people with them, effectively shoving us into lylo. it is preferable to do the +EV thing and prevent that player from being forced to claim

you really do sound like you want to keep the possibility of the town child being forced to claim an open possibility.

Overall clears are no one. Once a role is outed it is a clear. Roles should be kept secret until a majority is assured. I am sorry you want to expose the child to an NK.

Your wording style I can throw back at you all day. It’s boring and anti productive. If you consider town parent claims clear then you’d have asked at the start. What it feels like to me is that you’re aiming to try to claim town parent as scum and steer the elim or suspect out a CC on the parent and then kill the TC.

This claim idea is bad until D2 for that reason.

I didn’t want to say because then it coaches scum.

[Pink Ball]

Ok I'm here. Koba do people call you Koba, DK, what's your preference? Same question Math, I'm calling you Math 'cause you remind me of Dino but maybe MB is better for you

[Pink Ball]

CAKEZ YOU FUCKING ALIEN I HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN ABOUT YOU

[DkKoba]

"im sorry you want to expose the child to a NK"

lol?

i think like bingle said u are using moonlogic

[MathBlade]

Ok I'm here. Koba do people call you Koba, DK, what's your preference? Same question Math, I'm calling you Math 'cause you remind me of Dino but maybe MB is better for you

I go by either as long as it’s not she. (I am a trans man for context.) And dino and I are vastly different.

[DkKoba]

Ok I'm here. Koba do people call you Koba, DK, what's your preference? Same question Math, I'm calling you Math 'cause you remind me of Dino but maybe MB is better for you

whatever u choose as long as it isnt he or she

[MathBlade]

"im sorry you want to expose the child to a NK"

lol?

i think like bingle said u are using moonlogic

Does it matter if you’re scum caught for the wrong or right reasons you’re still caught.

[Pink Ball]

To both of you: I'm aware of that and I've learned to pay a lot of attention to the pronoun of your preference since I'm not a native english speaker and I get it wrong sometimes because of lack of experience, so don't worry!

[DkKoba]

"im sorry you want to expose the child to a NK"

lol?

i think like bingle said u are using moonlogic

Does it matter if you’re scum caught for the wrong or right reasons you’re still caught.

when the "wrong reasons" start piling up its pretty blatant that im town but sure go off