PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Double the Trouble]

What do you think about Polar Bears BM?

they are fine

uh huh ok sure

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Battle Mage

lim-3

Like the biggest thing that both me and norwee agree on is that town!dunn has no agenda. But this dunnstral very clearly has an agenda and is trying to push it. ESPECIALLY when all I'm asking for them is to justify their read and they refuse to engage with me.

I am very strongly of the opinion that you-Dunn is town-town.

lol Mastina, I'm very strongly of the opinion that you are literally just throwing a townread to everyone who votes me. madness

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage - If he's softing a PR then I don't really care about poking this tree right now. I feel like I just feel like there are more productive things to do?

I agree with all you say regarding Battle Mage. And i think that’s the better vote over Ircher because all of my meta experience with BM tells me something isn’t right. This is not their towngame.
VOTE: Battle Mage

- Norwee

norwee has more experience then battle mage than I do.
It was foolish of me to not believe in him.

Alisae - apparently you dont stand by this any more. Who are you voting though?

[Battle Mage]

I wouldn't say its random but its something that I do. Especially when said player is known to be really good at reading another player on the table.
I'm not that confident in my reads early unless scum are just being obvious.

pedit: The activity case?
Probably more likely to come from her town gameplay than her scum gameplay based off of my experiences with her.

who is mastina good at reading?

on the activity case, I meant the merits of it, rather than what it meant for her alignment.

you dodged the second half of this, so I'll give you another chance. The reason I ask is because:

btw mastina I really like your battle mage push, ur doing a good job of selling me on him.

You indicated here you were quite enamoured with her case. But when I asked you just now, you ducked the question twice.

I think the weaknesses of the case are fairly obvious, and I've pointed them out. You have the opportunity to prove you are a smart town player who thinks independently, or whether you are just scum hiding behind Mastina's proverbial skirt.

[Battle Mage]

who is mastina good at reading?

i wouldn't say she's "good" at reading any particular player in the playerlist, I just think that she's likely town and while reading

some of her posts

on you they

seem to make sense

.

this is definitely a climbdown from where you were before. Mastina won't like this. But I think you can climbdown further if you're honest with me.

[Battle Mage]

I can use to prove that Battle Mage this game is a fucking liar

again, Mastina...this won't age well, and I ask with all courtesy that in future you do learn from this and...at least tone it down a bit. or better still, give genuine reads rather than exaggerated fantasy ones.

[Double the Trouble]

I was also drunk and high on oil when I wrote those posts

[Battle Mage]

Like the biggest thing that both me and norwee agree on is that town!dunn has no agenda. But this dunnstral very clearly has an agenda and is trying to push it. ESPECIALLY when all I'm asking for them is to justify their read and they refuse to engage with me.

I am very strongly of the opinion that you-Dunn is town-town.

let's talk about it, maybe you can ease me up to it

I feel like if you were outside of the two of you, it'd be more obvious as textbook townvtown and that if it were me vs Dunnstral, for instance, with Dunnstral doing to me what he's doing to you and me doing to Dunnstral what he's doing to you, you in particular Ali would be the first to call it TvT and be frustrated at how stubbornness, ego, tunneling, with a side of omgusing, caused a very loud large tvt fight.

Beyond that as a description.

All I can offer you up is that I feel Dunnstral looks town overall. His fight with you is bad, but that can also be said of your fight with him. He's shown himself to still be scumhunting elsewhere and to have solid thoughts and pushes, and with the amount of reasoning I'd expect from him.

ok mastina
i'll trust you

i love you mastina *hic*

[Battle Mage]

[why is everyone on this page calling me weird. duuuude. well, maybe i guess]

[I have full confidence that pichu reads me correctly by the end of this game even if they are not already townreading me, though]

mastina how do you feel about Pichu's read on Solstice? Pichu is good at reading them. Pooky already outed that Pichu is hectic

[ARE YOU SERIOSU]

(Yes, confscum; I am that sure Battle Mage is scum here.)

[ooo, really lemme check]

Yes, Mastina is calling me confscum here, in the same way she did when we were Morning Mage.

Spoiler:

she is wrong again

@Mastina - Do you think I wouldn't be aware of you analyzing my drafts if I wasn't going to pick you?

This interaction makes me like Mastina-scum. I don't think FL engages like this with Mastina-town here.

I was so happy I got it too. Mastina and Dunnstral were the first bans the first draft.

1 scum, 1 town here?

[lol do you really think we can find scum via Flavour's posts, BM]

I wouldn't rule it out. Flavor has many strengths, but being hard to read isn't prime amongst them.

Morning Tweet could be scum here. A good choice if Flavor made it. One to watch. I'm on page 27 phew...

[That'd be an abysmal call, save for WIFOM. Hang on, have i even played scum against you before? i don't believe so. what makes you think i have a scum game?]

Actually that's true, the one scum game of yours I have read you weren't great sue me for being nice - you're a smart player. <3

emojis are a scumtell :3

~mist

i suspect you're finding this hydra hard work.

[nobody can stop me! (^∀^)]

will do - aint got much so far. a few good townreads: Bell, Noraa-hydra, Pichu, Ydrasse maybe. I haven't got to the bit where Pooky picks his list of 4 yet (which incidentally, is a great idea, if I'm not on the list )

[Ya Polarbears/Ydrasse are town, Pichu probably as well. haven't read Bell yet but i think I'll have a decent guess after a little while]

~Morning

yup good consensus

[Battle Mage]

[he's devil's advocating a lot, and usually in the opposite direction to what i'm thinking. He's attacking Ydrasse/pichu, the hydras.. defending BM and so on -- maybe im just getting unlucky reading posts I tend to disagree with, but i remember this feeling back when i was playing earlier, and he's doing it on this page too.]

[It's maybe slightly worth noting Ircher didn't post like this (with the big quote stripes) in my last game with him, Jigsaw mafia -- he didn't effort too much there. Maybe cause he was a replacement though, and im not familiar with how he plays as scum anyway]

[nothing terribly strong, but i still lean that there's scum in Ircher/Creature, especially if my townreads are right]

~Morning

interesting here you suggest you don't agree with Ircher defending me....yet you hadn't really commented on me at all prior to this.

Can you talk me through your read here?

[Battle Mage]

ok upto page 71. maybe the reason I have a low-opinion of mastina's towngame compared to others, is because I'm the one she always fights tooth and nail to try and miselim... -.-

[Netflix and Chill]

VOTE: Double the Trouble

[Double the Trouble]

VOTE: Double the Trouble

im down to settle your concerns now.
I didn't before because I though it was more useful for you to vote me to see who else would bite. You know, for the data.

[Polar Bear Express]

UGH UNVOTE:

I can't make up my stupid mind and gloriaaa ish not feeling well

me spamms'd her disc with cute bear gifs in hopes he starts feeling better soon

-medoesntknowwtfmeisdoingthisgame

pls give gloria lots of polar bear hugs so she feels better sooon i miss her

<3 <3 <3

[Netflix and Chill]

Ircher - DT could be S/S

I think so.

[Netflix and Chill]

Brian Skies is reputedly a good player.

Meh.

[Netflix and Chill]

what effort??

There was a surge of effort-posting from Creature right after Pooky gave us the list of four names of potential eliminations for today. I thought that was more likely to be town-indicative of Creature since he wasn't in that pool, and I don't think anything he did seemed agenda-driven towards that pool of eliminations.

A lot of people disagree, so I've been waffling on it.

[Polar Bear Express]

Hi Gloria glad to have you here

Hope you feel better soon

Anywhere you have disagreed with Noraa if you've been keeping up at all?

so after consulting for a long time with my ace team of mason friends we have come up with this POE-4;

we will eliminate someone from this list today:

Double Trouble
Ircher
Battle Mage
Dunnstral

Pls don't put anyone within 2 votes of being elim'd I'd like to do some final heart-heart talk with the victim first thanks!

I think Pooky has pretty good reads and I don’t have any meta on BM at all but I think both Noraa and Pooky do so, I would trust Pooky’s reads over Noraa’s when they differ. So, I would trust his read on BM’s over Noraa’s if that helps.

[MURDERCAT]

Fair enough, BM is tough to read

[Dunnstral]

I would trust Pooky’s reads over Noraa’s when they differ. So, I would trust his read on BM’s over Noraa’s if that helps.

Pooky has never given a read on Battle Mage

[Polar Bear Express]

You know what? I think I want Double the Trouble dead today.

Is this Gloria or Noraa?

Noraa. I need to discuss this with her because I still prefer Ircher.

[Polar Bear Express]

I would trust Pooky’s reads over Noraa’s when they differ. So, I would trust his read on BM’s over Noraa’s if that helps.

Pooky has never given a read on Battle Mage

#1319

[Battle Mage]

VOTE: Double the Trouble

im down to settle your concerns now.
I didn't before because I though it was more useful for you to vote me to see who else would bite. You know, for the data.

why must you be so scummy Alisae?

what effort??

There was a surge of effort-posting from Creature right after Pooky gave us the list of four names of potential eliminations for today. I thought that was more likely to be town-indicative of Creature since he wasn't in that pool, and I don't think anything he did seemed agenda-driven towards that pool of eliminations.

A lot of people disagree, so I've been waffling on it.

He made about 4 consecutive posts, I would generously describe as 'low-effort'. So I guess I'd interpret your townread on Creature for it as very generous indeed.

Hi Gloria glad to have you here

Hope you feel better soon

Anywhere you have disagreed with Noraa if you've been keeping up at all?

so after consulting for a long time with my ace team of mason friends we have come up with this POE-4;

we will eliminate someone from this list today:

Double Trouble
Ircher
Battle Mage
Dunnstral

Pls don't put anyone within 2 votes of being elim'd I'd like to do some final heart-heart talk with the victim first thanks!

I think Pooky has pretty good reads and I don’t have any meta on BM at all but I think both Noraa and Pooky do so, I would trust Pooky’s reads over Noraa’s when they differ. So, I would trust his read on BM’s over Noraa’s if that helps.

Pooky has perfect meta on me:

1 game with us both as town
1 game with us both as scum
1 game with Pooky scum, me town
1 game with me scum, Pooky town

also we're bros, so he knows me pretty well anyway.

Spoiler:

although i'm prepared to eat my words if he elims me here

[Battle Mage]

Fair enough, BM is tough to read

eh? I'm easy to read once i have time to post lol

[Flavor Leaf]

I let people think I'm not hard to read.