Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[Trendall]

The guy lied about doctor self-protecting, claimed doctor bizarrely early, tried to make out as though he was clear when he wasn't, can't stay consistent as to whether he's not in the mood to play or wants to do serious analysis. Tried to post-justify by pretending he was joking or trolling or whatever and now he's gonna take it seriously. He's doing everything he can to pocket ben dover123. His maf reads are on people I think are town. I can make sense of who his partner would be and why. He claimed doctor day one - I've been in two games very recently where the mafia claimed doctor day one so he's just like...carrying out the maf strategy as I'd expect somebody to at this point. After a point it's just like 'yeah I've seen enough it's probably this guy who's mafia' and there's absolutely no point in thinking about it more than that because you'll just overthink urself into oblivion.

[ben dover123]

Here is Lunar's ISO btw clidd.

Spoiler: Lunar ISO

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Mmmm...You lack context, my friend. The thing I am really suspicious of is that Lavar puts Rockhopper at E-1, with intent to hammer, but he has no good reason to do so. That is a bad look from Lavar, considering that the vc was made hours ago. Plus, the Rock wagon popped up way faster than I expected, which is surprising and scary at the same time.

E-1 means one vote away from death right? Sorry I spent some time reading the wiki but I think it will take me some time to adjust to and internalize the jargon on this site. Shouldn't you agree that Lavar has reason to put Rockhopper to E-1, since you're voting there yourself? You could always unvote if you're that concerned. Your concern rings as false, more an attempt to attack someone on the wagon to make them look bad if Rockhopper is town than an attempt to show genuine concern.

I really don't think ben is scum. I did before, but with his meta analysis and other newer posts, it doesn't seem like he is anymore. I don't see scum intentions.

i agree with this

I'm not a fan of how Lunar hard pushed me for his first two posts and then he all of a sudden declares I am town.

Also he's never getting eliminated is he so he doesn't even has to sacrifice himself at all necessarily.

I really dislike this push from trendall on the claimed doctor. The doctor claim will be tested at night, and trendall should know better as an SE.
VOTE: trendall

This is also a awkward vote plus reasoning. With context it should be known that Trendall was hard pushing clidd for scummy behavior before his claim. Maybe this is just lack of context from Lunar though.

Posts #640, #647, #663, and #713 are progression to voting clidd because clidd is lying.

VOTE: Ben Dover

That vote on clidd was terrible. Almost as bad as both the power roles claiming for no reason.

This backtrack on his townread isn't that great.

My defense for this is that my mental state went boom boom for a couple of pages there. It was so damn chaotic I had no idea what was going on for a few minutes. Clidd starting backtracking on his reads, then the tide turned and Lavar was doing scummy stuff.

quote="In post 605, Lunar Martian"]I see rock's posts as townie. I think it's a bit melodramatic for clidd to get so frustrated and claim, and for rock to say "just kill me"... I don't think either of them was the most voted person at the time they did that.[/quote]

Wait, wasn't this already noted by Trendall?

Like Lunar Martian, I get that that was scummy as shit from ben but you're not going to get four other people to vote for him in time.

There are four days left right? That's plenty of time. stop being so defeatist.

Nah clidd's my final vote today.

That said, this attitude is awful and does actually make it hard to kill anyone. Can people get over themselves and try to find scum rather than get themselves killed because they feel bad that they made a mistake?

This is a nitpicky coming from Lunar. The tone sounds like Lunar is ordering Trendall to do this and that.

Listen, I told him strictly to stop spamming one liners and give us some ideas on how to approach, but he kept on fluffposting and has been literally been bystanding this entire implosion.

Unfortunately for you, there's no rule saying we have to do what you say.

This is kind of harsh coming from Lunar. I think he has turned back on his original townread by the tone of this post.

[Trendall]

I'm usually paranoid over my reads and I make backup scumteams just in case something fails along the way.

I don't need to do this though because I'm getting nightkilled tonight. If I was alive at the start of tomorrow I re-evaluate again based on the flips and choice of night-kill, that's how I play the game.

[ben dover123]

The guy lied about doctor self-protecting, claimed doctor bizarrely early, tried to make out as though he was clear when he wasn't, can't stay consistent as to whether he's not in the mood to play or wants to do serious analysis. Tried to post-justify by pretending he was joking or trolling or whatever and now he's gonna take it seriously. He's doing everything he can to pocket ben dover123. His maf reads are on people I think are town. I can make sense of who his partner would be and why. He claimed doctor day one - I've been in two games very recently where the mafia claimed doctor day one so he's just like...carrying out the maf strategy as I'd expect somebody to at this point. After a point it's just like 'yeah I've seen enough it's probably this guy who's mafia' and there's absolutely no point in thinking about it more than that because you'll just overthink urself into oblivion.

God am I getting pocketed. Something feels off when I read this post...

Ugh my brain. I almost forgot about most of these events.

[Trendall]

Maybe you are that careless type that thinks

No if I get something wrong in a game I look back and analyse after the game and try to figure out where I went wrong and specifically what I should have done differently.

[ben dover123]

I'm usually paranoid over my reads and I make backup scumteams just in case something fails along the way.

I don't need to do this though because I'm getting nightkilled tonight. If I was alive at the start of tomorrow I re-evaluate again based on the flips and choice of night-kill, that's how I play the game.

Mmm, yeah some people do play the game like this. I'm just the kind of guy to make a accurate read first try. It seems that you are the kind of guy to set your stance and then re-analyze for potential mistakes later.

[Trendall]

God am I getting pocketed

Yeah to the extent that you're going around telling people what to do like 'you, space out your text! you, give me a reads list now!' just because he said a thing about you having leadership skills at the beginning of the game. He got you so hard.

[ben dover123]

God am I getting pocketed

Yeah to the extent that you're going around telling people what to do like 'you, space out your text! you, give me a reads list now!' just because he said a thing about you having leadership skills at the beginning of the game. He got you so hard.

smh

I need a clidd review now because something feels off.

[Trendall]

Mmm, yeah some people do play the game like this. I'm just the kind of guy to make a accurate read first try. It seems that you are the kind of guy to set your stance and then re-analyze for potential mistakes later.

I'd rather get it right first time cause I'm vain, but honestly with these games I think that most stuff that happens is null information, so my reads can suddenly change if new data comes in or whatever. I'm aware of my tendency to just have too many possibilities floating around in my head and confusing myself and doubting myself too much, so since I started playing these forum games again I've been trying to not let that happen and it seems to have been working out a lot better than when I played in the past.

[ben dover123]

EBWOP: That bossy attitude is coming from just me though, not pocketed me.

[Trendall]

Like the three past newbie games I played, every one of those I can look at and think to myself 'yeah, if I'd had analysed too much more there I could easily have talked myself out of decent reads'. Or I just got lucky or something, that's always a possibilty, but I'd need to play more games to know.

[ben dover123]

tbh What I can say right now is that clidd's doctor claim does fall under scum's general meta, the other evidence I have to reread.

[ben dover123]

God I may have been pocketed hard, looking back at your evidence. Is there any way to absolve my sins?

[Trendall]

I can't tell you because clidd told me to stop talking

[Trendall]

Also he said that we should all just like...forget about him and assume he's town and go off that basis, which is a totally towny thing to say so we should just do that.

[ben dover123]

I can't tell you because clidd told me to stop talking

You have the right to talk. clidd has no authority over your own will.

Also he said that we should all just like...forget about him and assume he's town and go off that basis, which is a totally towny thing to say so we should just do that.

:thonk:

[ben dover123]

Where did he say that?

[Trendall]

Omg I typed a post out and posted it and now it's not showing up.

Said something along the lines of...are you getting the picture, I'm not 'biased', I haven't thrown all of my toys out of the pram voting him out of frustration or any such things. He's just done a lot of things by now that indicate that he is likely to be mafia, considerably more than any of the other players in the game. Hence why I think it's better to eliminate him than to leave him alive and allow him to direct the eliminations.

[clidd]

I mean, I acted scummy but I'm being pro-town now.

And you're being anti-town, but you don't know that yet.

[clidd]

I can give you the feeling of hammering your doctor as cop, if you want.

[Trendall]

'you don't know that yet' again this is just mafspeak, don't bother I'm not going to get phased by something like this.

[Trendall]

I can give you the feeling of hammering your doctor as cop, if you want.

Makes no difference to me, I'm playing a game of forum mafia to kill time. If I'm right I'm right, if I'm wrong I'm wrong, I wouldn't care about the game on a personal level in the way you're suggesting here.

[ben dover123]

I can give you the feeling of hammering your doctor as cop, if you want.

clidd, I would suggest you don't try to get the game on a personal level...

[ben dover123]

clidd, why did you pocket me again?

[Trendall]

I mean it's just maf stuff he's saying to make me doubt myself