Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[ben dover123]

Here is Lunar's ISO btw clidd.

Spoiler: Lunar ISO

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Mmmm...You lack context, my friend. The thing I am really suspicious of is that Lavar puts Rockhopper at E-1, with intent to hammer, but he has no good reason to do so. That is a bad look from Lavar, considering that the vc was made hours ago. Plus, the Rock wagon popped up way faster than I expected, which is surprising and scary at the same time.

E-1 means one vote away from death right? Sorry I spent some time reading the wiki but I think it will take me some time to adjust to and internalize the jargon on this site. Shouldn't you agree that Lavar has reason to put Rockhopper to E-1, since you're voting there yourself? You could always unvote if you're that concerned. Your concern rings as false, more an attempt to attack someone on the wagon to make them look bad if Rockhopper is town than an attempt to show genuine concern.

I really don't think ben is scum. I did before, but with his meta analysis and other newer posts, it doesn't seem like he is anymore. I don't see scum intentions.

i agree with this

I'm not a fan of how Lunar hard pushed me for his first two posts and then he all of a sudden declares I am town.

Also he's never getting eliminated is he so he doesn't even has to sacrifice himself at all necessarily.

I really dislike this push from trendall on the claimed doctor. The doctor claim will be tested at night, and trendall should know better as an SE.
VOTE: trendall

This is also a awkward vote plus reasoning. With context it should be known that Trendall was hard pushing clidd for scummy behavior before his claim. Maybe this is just lack of context from Lunar though.

Posts #640, #647, #663, and #713 are progression to voting clidd because clidd is lying.

VOTE: Ben Dover

That vote on clidd was terrible. Almost as bad as both the power roles claiming for no reason.

This backtrack on his townread isn't that great.

My defense for this is that my mental state went boom boom for a couple of pages there. It was so damn chaotic I had no idea what was going on for a few minutes. Clidd starting backtracking on his reads, then the tide turned and Lavar was doing scummy stuff.

quote="In post 605, Lunar Martian"]I see rock's posts as townie. I think it's a bit melodramatic for clidd to get so frustrated and claim, and for rock to say "just kill me"... I don't think either of them was the most voted person at the time they did that.

Wait, wasn't this already noted by Trendall?

Like Lunar Martian, I get that that was scummy as shit from ben but you're not going to get four other people to vote for him in time.

There are four days left right? That's plenty of time. stop being so defeatist.

Nah clidd's my final vote today.

That said, this attitude is awful and does actually make it hard to kill anyone. Can people get over themselves and try to find scum rather than get themselves killed because they feel bad that they made a mistake?

This is a nitpicky coming from Lunar. The tone sounds like Lunar is ordering Trendall to do this and that.

Listen, I told him strictly to stop spamming one liners and give us some ideas on how to approach, but he kept on fluffposting and has been literally been bystanding this entire implosion.

Unfortunately for you, there's no rule saying we have to do what you say.

This is kind of harsh coming from Lunar. I think he has turned back on his original townread by the tone of this post.[/spoiler][/quote]

[ben dover123]

Ah, I screwed it up. Here is a much better formatted version:

Here is Lunar's ISO btw clidd.

Spoiler: Lunar ISO

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Mmmm...You lack context, my friend. The thing I am really suspicious of is that Lavar puts Rockhopper at E-1, with intent to hammer, but he has no good reason to do so. That is a bad look from Lavar, considering that the vc was made hours ago. Plus, the Rock wagon popped up way faster than I expected, which is surprising and scary at the same time.

E-1 means one vote away from death right? Sorry I spent some time reading the wiki but I think it will take me some time to adjust to and internalize the jargon on this site. Shouldn't you agree that Lavar has reason to put Rockhopper to E-1, since you're voting there yourself? You could always unvote if you're that concerned. Your concern rings as false, more an attempt to attack someone on the wagon to make them look bad if Rockhopper is town than an attempt to show genuine concern.

I really don't think ben is scum. I did before, but with his meta analysis and other newer posts, it doesn't seem like he is anymore. I don't see scum intentions.

i agree with this

I'm not a fan of how Lunar hard pushed me for his first two posts and then he all of a sudden declares I am town.

Also he's never getting eliminated is he so he doesn't even has to sacrifice himself at all necessarily.

I really dislike this push from trendall on the claimed doctor. The doctor claim will be tested at night, and trendall should know better as an SE.
VOTE: trendall

This is also a awkward vote plus reasoning. With context it should be known that Trendall was hard pushing clidd for scummy behavior before his claim. Maybe this is just lack of context from Lunar though.

Posts #640, #647, #663, and #713 are progression to voting clidd because clidd is lying.

VOTE: Ben Dover

That vote on clidd was terrible. Almost as bad as both the power roles claiming for no reason.

This backtrack on his townread isn't that great.

My defense for this is that my mental state went boom boom for a couple of pages there. It was so damn chaotic I had no idea what was going on for a few minutes. Clidd starting backtracking on his reads, then the tide turned and Lavar was doing scummy stuff.

I see rock's posts as townie. I think it's a bit melodramatic for clidd to get so frustrated and claim, and for rock to say "just kill me"... I don't think either of them was the most voted person at the time they did that.

Wait, wasn't this already noted by Trendall?

Like Lunar Martian, I get that that was scummy as shit from ben but you're not going to get four other people to vote for him in time.

There are four days left right? That's plenty of time. stop being so defeatist.

Nah clidd's my final vote today.

That said, this attitude is awful and does actually make it hard to kill anyone. Can people get over themselves and try to find scum rather than get themselves killed because they feel bad that they made a mistake?

This is a nitpicky coming from Lunar. The tone sounds like Lunar is ordering Trendall to do this and that.

Listen, I told him strictly to stop spamming one liners and give us some ideas on how to approach, but he kept on fluffposting and has been literally been bystanding this entire implosion.

Unfortunately for you, there's no rule saying we have to do what you say.

This is kind of harsh coming from Lunar. I think he has turned back on his original townread by the tone of this post.

[clidd]

Lunar is one.

[clidd]

Let me finish his ISO.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

He maintains a certain progression from Jumble, intensifying Ben's scumlean to scumread and me from null to scumlean, but the reasons are terrible. I can't tell if he's really pretending to be sporadic, or if he's on purpose. This makes no sense:

Hello! I had some issues with permissions and couldn't post. I haven't read the whole thread yet, but to answer Mr. Dover, this is my first game so I'm not really sure about any of that. I played a few games of irl mafia with some friends, but haven't played online so I'm really not sure what to expect. So far the people I'm most suspicious of are clidd who seems a bit off and artificial, and ben dover who looks like he's trying to look like hes being helpful without doing much to actually help or solve. On this page for example, Ben attacks Lavar for voting for Rockhopper, while he himself is also voting for Rockhopper and is pushing for more votes there.

VOTE: ben dover123

Also he's never getting eliminated is he so he doesn't even has to sacrifice himself at all necessarily.

I really dislike this push from trendall on the claimed doctor. The doctor claim will be tested at night, and trendall should know better as an SE.
VOTE: trendall

VOTE: clidd

VOTE: Ben Dover

That vote on clidd was terrible. Almost as bad as both the power roles claiming for no reason.

I will not be voting clidd or trendall today.

If you look at his existing posts among the posts I mentioned, he doesn't put any reason or reasoning into context that justifies the high sporadic rate of logical line in the votes. Individually speaking, I would say that he would be on the line between null and scummy.

If we consider his predecessor, however, I believe that it remains more likely to be mafia than town. Another observation is that there is a period when he 'emerges' from the beyond and comments on the "lie" in post 640, without interacting with what happened before that, implying that he was in a sort of selective reading (more associated with scum, keeping up to date on points that may be useful as claims and key issues).

Here ^

[ben dover123]

sporadic = infrequent btw. I had to search that one up.

[clidd]

And I'm between Lone and Rock for partner.

More likely Lone.

[ben dover123]

clidd, this ISO isn't really done well. There are more things to comment on than their choice of vote, you know.

Now the question is, why is this ISO so poor compared to the Jumble ISO?

Pedit: Ok, why Lone. I still don't understand how it's Lone.

[clidd]

Lone slipped, I think. And Rock because of mars.

[clidd]

Isn't done well because Trendall started to fight with me and I didn't finish it in the way it was supposed to be finish.

[clidd]

What is confbias?

Look this first.

[Trendall]

Again he says stuff like that because he wants you to sympathise with his 'I'm just an honest townie trying to solve the game!' thing he's got going on.

[clidd]

They are town masons?

Then.

[clidd]

How many days to deadline?

And.

[clidd]

Can the doctor protect himself?

And.

[clidd]

Where I'm from, artofproblemsolving.com, we use RQS since our profiles do not reveal gender and specific questions like that. Here are some questions I'd like to ask everyone.

1. Is this your first game or do you have past games? Can you link me your best scum and town games if you do have past games? In other words, what games do you want me to metadive you?

2. Favorite role? Favorite alignment?

3. How good are you at scumhunting (self-evaluation), from 1-10?

My answers:

1. I have finished 1 ongoing game, but it is not completed.

2. I like being a Vanilla Townie.

3. Probably a 3-4. I can catch basic tells but nothing extremely complex.

Hmmm...
1. This is my first game of forum mafia.I have never played mafia on forums before.

2. I think mafia goon perhaps.

3. No idea.I still have to see.

Now take a look at this.

He seemed really newbie with his questions and posts, so we can assume that he doesn't have so much affinity with the mechanics of the game (he even asked about the doctor), so how did he know "mafia goon"? and why specifically mafia goon and not just mafia, or even town?

I am theorizing that this was a slip of the role he received, where he learned that name and quickly associated it with the type of mafia used in the forum (remembering that he said he had not played mafia in forums before).

[Trendall]

so how did he know "mafia goon"? and why specifically mafia goon and not just mafia, or even town?

Because he looked at all the role descriptions before the game because he needed to do so in order to identify how the setup works and therefore how to go about playing, and the phrase 'mafia goon' is in the role descriptions.

[Trendall]

Wouldn't his 'masons' thing imply that he thinks we're in a C setup where there's no doc under roughly the same line of reasoning?

[clidd]

Just a theory, of course.

And Mars I gave a reason, give me a minute.

[clidd]

I feel that the Mars/Rock's slot is probably scum.

I have no evidence, but I think Mars was from epicmafia and was excited to play on the forum we are in. Considering her last post in the current game (a certain nervousness) and the noticeable apathy/inactivity, it's possible that she was suffering from the cognitive burden of being scum.

Well, it's an assumption, but adding that to the current impression I have of Rock, it is liable to scumread. But I will wait for some disclosure of Rock reads, maybe it will change my perception in relation to that.

Here.

[clidd]

Wouldn't his 'masons' thing imply that he thinks we're in a C setup where there's no doc under roughly the same line of reasoning?

Yes, it's true. If it isn't him, it's Mar's slot.

[clidd]

Luna + Rock is my solve.

[clidd]

Actually, my entire pool is {Luna, Rock and Chumbo}

I don't think BM is scum here with his fos on me.

[clidd]

Chumbo for third, if someone of those two didn't work.

[borkjerfkin]

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