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if S&M is scum, we get to test two other slots for the third scum. are you disagreeing with that point? or are you disagreeing with S&M scum?In post 4399, davesaz wrote:It would be an exaggeration to say there are more holes than correct points in that.
Only a slight exaggeration.- Smoke and Mirrors
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there's not going to be a tomorrow because after I die the scum will kill and win the game at 2-2In post 4397, Hoopla wrote:thinking about this more, it may be optimal to elim today especially if S&M is one half of the team. andespeciallyif N_M is the third.
the logic:
if we elim scum!S&M, there's no JK shenangians tonight. and given we would be down to one scum, it would prevent N_M from neighbourisingandkilling in the same night as scum don't have informed. so, if N_M is scum, he can't kill at night, which gives us an extra mis-elim. if N_M is town, and a kill happens, it confirms N_M as town as long as he neighbourises someone. this prevents us from burning a mis-elim on him if he's town.
this all hinges on S&M being scum. if they are, i think there's no way we don't brute force a win, as we get to test N_Mandanother slot in case we're wrong.
whereas, if we go the no-elim route we only get to test one slot other than S&M.
all this fancy theory stuff doesn't mean anything when you get punched in the face.- Smoke and Mirrors
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what?In post 4407, Infinity 324 wrote:Everyone thinks you’re scum, but that includes n_m who wants to elim dave instead even though you being town makes no sense from their perspective
i protected NM from NK or the scum no-killed
why would me being town not make sense from their POV?- Best Bird
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Would you like to point out the inaccuracies or just be an ass about it?In post 4399, davesaz wrote:It would be an exaggeration to say there are more holes than correct points in that.
Only a slight exaggeration.- Infinity 324
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If both of you are town, since both of you were leaning towards voting me yesterday, scum can just wait for one of you to vote me and quickhammer.In post 4408, Smoke and Mirrors wrote:
what?In post 4407, Infinity 324 wrote:Everyone thinks you’re scum, but that includes n_m who wants to elim dave instead even though you being town makes no sense from their perspective
i protected NM from NK or the scum no-killed
why would me being town not make sense from their POV?- Infinity 324
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I’m maybe willing to accept that scum bussed rather than take the risk of one of you changing your mind, but both being town seems absurd.
n_m didn’t actually say they were leaning towards voting for me but they did said that me pushing the redirector angle was gross, implying that I was scummy.- Smoke and Mirrors
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2 scum in [hoopla, best bird, dave]In post 4409, Best Bird wrote:Who's scum? You're doing a lot of defending and throwing shade, but you aren't actually saying who is the scum we elim today or the scum you have a 25% chance of catching tonight.
are you scum birdie?- Best Bird
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bussing for cred is pretty common play in 7p elo to setup win at 5p eloIn post 4414, Best Bird wrote:I'm literally the momentum behind the eod s_s elim yesterday.
That's a bad list.
who should I be putting on the list instead?- Best Bird
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In post 4416, Best Bird wrote:bussing for cred when you can start the momentum on the alternate wagon is stupid
we've been over this.
i'm pretty strongly sold on you needing to be in that list but obv you won't add yourself.
r u serious right now.
7 players 3 scum
1v1 deadlock
as scum u start momentum on your own teammate, either town bites and pushes teammate out and you have sweet cred for 5P win
OR
town doesnt bite, votes the OTHER guy, you flip momentum and you get a quick-elim on the other guy for the win.
It's like classic mafia playbook in 7P elo.
What doesnt happen is 3 mafia vote together and get crushed when entire town is just like "nah no"- Best Bird
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r u saying we're all scum?In post 4419, Best Bird wrote:r u serious rn?
THE SUPPORT TO VOTE FOR INFINITY WAS ALREADY IMPLIED BY YOU, NM, AND DAVE.- davesaz
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Scum don't have multitasking.In post 4397, Hoopla wrote: if we elim scum!S&M, there's no JK shenangians tonight. and given we would be down to one scum, it would prevent N_M from neighbourisingandkilling in the same night as scum don't have informed.
It's possible to have a no-kill and no-neighborize, if the 3rd scum is RB. That slot was not claimed to have been picked by anyone, and any of the "last in a chain" claims could be a fakeclaim to hide the RB.so, if N_M is scum, he can't kill at night, which gives us an extra mis-elim. if N_M is town, and a kill happens, it confirms N_M as town as long as he neighbourises someone. this prevents us from burning a mis-elim on him if he's town.
S&M being scum requires scum to have chosen to no-kill AND to block N_M instead. I don't see why you'd argue this is more likely than town!S&M saving town!N_M or blocking scum!N_M, especially after it's already happened once. Because S&M scum means that Mena was a no-kill to frame. S&M can't both be town who saved Mena and scum who blocked N_M.this all hinges on S&M being scum. if they are, i think there's no way we don't brute force a win, as we get to test N_Mandanother slot in case we're wrong.
whereas, if we go the no-elim route we only get to test one slot other than S&M.
I don't understand what you mean by "test". Roll the dice on an elim and hope we're not wrong? You're assuming town just wins the 3p that results, which is absolutely not a brute force win.A community that stifles dissent does not deserve the title of community- davesaz
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I think N_M is scum neighborizer, it fits the pattern of using it only once to establish the role, and it fits the JK target stopping N_M from killing. The corollary is that N_M's buddy is townread, as the higher risk partner makes the kill when there is a watcher around to possibly see it.A community that stifles dissent does not deserve the title of community- Not_Mafia
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I’m townAlso, what is Not_Mafia doing? This is some of the worst play I’ve ever seen.I will SEARCH for games with you and N_M to help you policy him.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.- Hoopla
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ah yes, that's a typo. scum don't haveIn post 4421, davesaz wrote:
Scum don't have multitasking.In post 4397, Hoopla wrote: if we elim scum!S&M, there's no JK shenangians tonight. and given we would be down to one scum, it would prevent N_M from neighbourisingandkilling in the same night as scum don't have informed.multitaskingis what i meant to say. so, if there's one scum left N_M-scum won't be able to neighbourise and kill in the same night.
this is actually a decent point. we've ruled out the doctor from existing, but technically a scum RB could exist. so, you're right here. a no-kill/no neighbourise could occur. but if we eliminate scum today, a kill tonight would still confirm N_M as town (because the scum RB wouldn't be able to block and kill in the same night), which was my main point.In post 4421, davesaz wrote:
It's possible to have a no-kill and no-neighborize, if the 3rd scum is RB. That slot was not claimed to have been picked by anyone, and any of the "last in a chain" claims could be a fakeclaim to hide the RB.so, if N_M is scum, he can't kill at night, which gives us an extra mis-elim. if N_M is town, and a kill happens, it confirms N_M as town as long as he neighbourises someone. this prevents us from burning a mis-elim on him if he's town. - Hoopla
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