Newbie 2043: Cherfnul - Game Over

[Rockhopper]

Being cautious about it doesn't make someone scum.
Putting someone at E-1 without announcing it seems too scummy to be scum. I don't expect scum!Lavar to do that since it only ruins the way people perceive his position and scum don't want that.

If you put someone at E-1 without announcing it, later you could just be like "oh, I didn't realize that was E-1". Which is why I disagree with you, I think scum would be more than willing to do this because if the next person doesn't pay attention to it they hammer.

But Lavar didn't say anything like that, did he?

[Rockhopper]

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[Chumbo]

But Lavar didn't say anything like that, did he?

Nobody hammered did they?

[LoneMarkhor]

OK I agree we should go with LunarMartian.It was really difficult reading 15 pages took real long
I honestly don't think Clidd is mafia.Though he has been acting scummy.But he is almost confirmed town.So we should go with other scummy people.Most scummy is Lunar martian or at least thats what I think from his ISO.Also sorry Clidd for self protection post.I mean whats scummy in that.Newbie scum might have taken the bait and not targeted you.Right now PRs are as useful as vanilla townies.
UNVOTE: BattleMage
VOTE: LunarMartian

Why do you think is scummy about LunarMartian's ISO?
Hopefully you answer this before I post my reads

Ok i'll post the whole reason.Be patient for sometime.I am not good at typing.

[Chumbo]

ok, I'll be on for a while

[Rockhopper]

But Lavar didn't say anything like that, did he?

Nobody hammered did they?

Yeah, but that's an excuse for negative reception in general

[Chumbo]

Do you see what I mean though?

[Rockhopper]

It seems unnecessary for scum!him to risk it and ruin his image (he was thought to be pretty towny, this would be perceived poorly) for a very unlikely VI hammer.
I would also expect scum!him to come up with some excuse in case he did decide to take this route.

[LoneMarkhor]

Ben's ISO on Lunar seems like lunar voted Ben for showing us they aren't scum partners while not causing too much harm.Ben himself has also been suspicious because he created a bandwagon on rock and then when it reached close to hammering,he thought that the townies are going to eliminate him so he abandoned it and tried to throw suspicion on lavar.Lunar thinks that maybe he overdid it and when chumbo said he thinks ben isn't scum he just says "Oh yeah I agree".
When Ben cast a vote on clidd(was he trying to elim doc with a 'crazy cop')then lunar again voted him.Both times it was like its just one vote on him. good bargain for not seeming his friend.
BTW according to Clidds ISO,jumble had a scumlean on ben too so there were already enough bandwagons so lunar thought a single not so noticed vote on his scum partner except for future references.
I know all that was not so convincing but what was really suspicious was that ben didn'tvote lunar which gave me the impression as if he had already taken too much risk a bandwagon on his partner should not start.
So I voted Lunar to see if ben will try to save him from a possible bandwagon and create a distraction.But now I don't think I am going to change my vote at least not today.I mean if we exclude meta research,ben could be scum.

[LoneMarkhor]

sorry I am not good at quoting or writing (even not that) long posts.

[Chumbo]

It seems unnecessary for scum!him to risk it and ruin his image (he was thought to be pretty towny, this would be perceived poorly) for a very unlikely VI hammer.
I would also expect scum!him to come up with some excuse in case he did decide to take this route.

This is all getting off-topic now. I don't see Lavar as scum. I was trying to get you to realize the fault in your logic. Not announcing E-1 isn't too scummy to be scum and announcing it isn't scummy.

[Chumbo]

Chumbo

(that's me )

Trendall

(claimed cop, no reason to not believe him)

Ben

(Meta analysis [that he did] and general behavior makes me think strong-town, even though at one point I thought he was scum :thonk:)

LoneMarkhor

(I'm thinking newb-town, the mason thing was bad, but I can't really say I see any evidence of him realizing this)

LavarManos

(I'm honestly basing this off of pragdoid more than Lavar, his one-liners don't scream town!, but I don't really see anything with scum intention)
BM (not much to go off of and I still need to look closer, since he is experienced)

Clidd

(Suuuuuuper Scummy, but probably doc

)

LunarMartian

(I really hate to say this, but this is mostly gut, something just seems off between Jumble and Lunar)

Rock

(he seems scummy, but I think he may be playing somewhat to town meta, I don't like his AtE [also see previous reasons])

I'm willing to vote LunarMartian or Rock. I don't have stong scum reads right now but I'm confident with my town reads. I'd still like to see BM get caught up though.

VOTE: Lunar for now
E-2

[Rockhopper]

LoneMarkhor is so town I'm willing to bet my soul on it

[Chumbo]

LoneMarkhor is so town I'm willing to bet my soul on it

I agree

[Rockhopper]

VOTE: Lunar Martian

THIS IS E-1

[Battle Mage]

brief check in to say:

what the hell is going on
believe both PR claims
guess i was wrong about clidd - sorry clidd

more tonight, apologies i timed out last night.

[clidd]

BM, if you're scum doing prod-dodge, that's a very bad faith strategy.

I'm not suspecting you, but keep it in mind that this game will be used against you in the future.

[clidd]

I'm pretty confident with a Lunar elimination.

And I'm pretty confident that you aren't all that smart.

I'm pretty confident that the following people are town:
me, trendall, clidd (you aren't half as smart as you think you are), ben dover (you are very overconfident and slip into confirmation bias very easily), Chumbo.
That leaves:
Lavar, Rockhopper, Lone, BM.

Out of those four, I'd pick BM and Lone to be the most likely scum. BM is being far too quiet. Didn't someone say BM normally posts a lot more?

VOTE: BM

If you've seen my reasoning about your predecessor and the brief description of his sporadic behavior, you can see that I have good reason to suspect your slot as a whole. It's not like I'm forcing you to be scum.

We can argue, if you want to explain why you're town. Usually the intelligence of someone is only mentioned if you know that they are deeply mistaken, which I really don't think is the case with me.

[clidd]

Ok, goodbye.

VOTE: Lunar Martian

[Rockhopper]

welp.

were you scum Lunar?

[LoneMarkhor]

Wait Clidd you hadn't voted lunar yet?

[LoneMarkhor]

VOTE: Lunar Martian

:thonk: I think

[LoneMarkhor]

Unless you have two votes somehow.

[Rockhopper]

nah

docs get 2 votes

[clidd]

Yeah, Lone is truly town lol