PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Ircher]

I provided some awhile ago. I guess I can provide a more comprehensive set.

Double the Trouble (Alisae and NorwegianboyEE) - Initially leaning scum, but I think it might just be the slot's abrasive nature, so I'm gonna town bin this slot actually. They've made some good observations.
Netflix and Chill (notscience and Brian Skies) - Town. Good takes in general.
Spiffeh - Maybe town? I'm worried about Spiffeh trying to pocket me/defending me because it will look good if I am eliminated and flip town. Nothing particularly scummy or townie that I've seen except for their take on my slot. (Paranoia aside, I don't think scum!Spiffeh is super incentivized to defend me as they have.)
Creature - Not sure. I'm not super familiar with Creature's meta shift and haven't been deeply evaluating his posts. They always make me want to skim tbh.
Polar Bear Express (Noraa and Gloria Cleary) - Probably town, but has had a very bade case of OMGUS this game.
Ydrasse - Scum for reasons I've outlined earlier.
Solstice (Mistyx and Morning Tweet) - Maybe scum? There were some good observations about Tweet's tone earlier; it's a bit too formal.
pichu - Lean scum, but I may reevaluate this read at some point. I still think their early interaction with Ydrasse looked bad, but pichu looked better between the two. Has had a couple good takes since then.
Not Known 15 - No idea. Haven't seen too many posts from them. What U do know is that they're a rather serious and logical player.
Toogeloo - Not sure; slight twinge of scum maybe. Entrance was OK; hopping onto my wagon was kinda ehh.
MURDERCAT - Scum. I recently posted my thoughts on the matter.
Battle Mage - Maybe scum? I haven't read his recent posts, so it's too early for me to judge.
Bell - Lean scum. The way they pop in and out of the thread makes me think they have an ulterior motive.
Dr Easy Bake - Not sure but high scum equity. Refuses to play the game.
Dunnstral - Lean town. I gave some reasons in my last few posts.
mastina - Town. Generally bad takes from what I read, but she's definitely scumhunting and while she's efforted before as scum, it's still rather rare. I'll reevaluate when I have to.

Quoting for pagetop. Also slight edit to Spiffeh read.

[MURDERCAT]

Okay, there's a bit less than I thought, but I still feel pretty confident that he's town.

Ha ok at least you admit it

[MURDERCAT]

@Ircher

RE reads list
You have a lot of scum reads and scum leans, no? I count 8 people you seen actively worried about.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

anyway, off to bed, Pooky if you're reading this - let's chat in real time when you're around - I've got a sweet crumb for ya.

mate the last time you claimed a PR on me you were scum :>

[Netflix and Chill]

VOTE: Battle Mage

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you feeling good about this one brian?

[Netflix and Chill]

About Battle Mage?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yes

I wanna know what it feels like

[Netflix and Chill]

also better VOTE: double the trouble as I owe Ircher one.

This post is indicative that Battle Mage is aware that Pooky made a pool of 4 players to eliminate within, containing both Ircher and Double the Trouble. It's a case of TMI given his stated narrative.

None of the posts in that range mentioned Pooky's pool of four, and yet somehow Battle Mage knows to vote Double the Trouble, one of the names in that pool of four, over Ircher, another name in the pool of four?

I call bullshit.

Battle Mage has read most of the thread already. Maybe genuinely not all of it, but he knows far, far more than he is pretending he knows.

This stood out to me in Mastina's case against Battle Mage. I don't really care that much about the other stuff she mentioned, but I don't really understand why Battle Mage would vote here or mention Ircher unless he did have some prior knowledge of the lynchpool. And I didn't find anything in his iso, or the immediately surrounding pages to indicate him just coming across it.

Yes, the vote was in response to Murdercat quoting a VoteCount, but it still doesn't explain why he'd feel the need to mention Ircher with his Double the Trouble vote (and just those two names).

I wouldn't say I'm confident in it or anything, I just feel like some of my reads need reassessment and that Mastina is probably onto something here.

[Netflix and Chill]

After looking at it again, he only had one vote on him. So now I'm unsure.

[Netflix and Chill]

To reiterate:
Battle Mage claimed yesterday that, while on his V/LA, he was not reading the thread.
Battle Mage is asking that, if he is put to L-1, for it to be announced.
If Battle Mage was not reading the thread, how would he be able to see the declaration of being at L-1?
To see that he's at L-1 inherently requires that he is reading the thread enough to know it has happened...something he previously said he wasn't doing. To refresh your memory:

Like, this is just silly.

Just because he said he wasn't following up previously doesn't mean he can't at least follow along with current events now.

But when asked why he, allegedly, searched for his name inthread, he answers he doesn't know why and that he's never done it before.

So he's claiming he wasn't reading, that he found it through doing something he's never done before and had no reason to do here...but he wants to know if he gets to L-1 which requires...him to be reading the thread.

And this is just twisting things to fit her case.

Either way, if he's never done it before, then it's not necessarily alignment indicative.

[Double the Trouble]

Is there anything you think Battle Mage has done that's town indicative?

[Double the Trouble]

Like I don't see anything and like, ur voting him, but if you have a take on BM's own play I'm all ears

[Netflix and Chill]

What about Mastina's case do you agree with, Ali?

[Double the Trouble]

most of 1646
1647

[Netflix and Chill]

That's cool. Can you point out what specifically you agree with? Or paraphrase in your own words?

[Double the Trouble]

ya ikr real helpful glad i can help

[Double the Trouble]

im joking 1 second please

[Netflix and Chill]

Let me see the game through your eyes, Ali. This way I can feel less bad when I inevitably eliminate you for being picked by Flavor Leaf over me.

[Double the Trouble]

But when asked why he, allegedly, searched for his name inthread, he answers he doesn't know why and that he's never done it before.

So he's claiming he wasn't reading, that he found it through doing something he's never done before and had no reason to do here...but he wants to know if he gets to L-1 which requires...him to be reading the thread.

admittedly I think I forgot I wrote 734 and 743 isn't an amazing response to that.

why use the search function when u have no reason to?
doesn't make sense.

Given the rest of the post, feels more scum aligned than town aligned tbh

I know that he's softing a power role, but I know for a fact that the way he's doing so is his scum meta because town-BM does not soft in that way whereas scum-BM does.

this is what convinced me at the time tho it is mostly just barking.

[Double the Trouble]

But when asked why he, allegedly, searched for his name inthread, he answers he doesn't know why and that he's never done it before.

So he's claiming he wasn't reading, that he found it through doing something he's never done before and had no reason to do here...but he wants to know if he gets to L-1 which requires...him to be reading the thread.

admittedly I think I forgot I wrote 734 and 743 isn't an amazing response to that.

why use the search function when u have no reason to?
doesn't make sense.

Given the rest of the post, feels more scum aligned than town aligned tbh

I know that he's softing a power role, but I know for a fact that the way he's doing so is his scum meta because town-BM does not soft in that way whereas scum-BM does.

this is what convinced me at the time tho it is mostly just barking.

[Double the Trouble]

Let me see the game through your eyes, Ali. This way I can feel less bad when I inevitably eliminate you for being picked by Flavor Leaf over me.

alright
how about this I'll write a book for you

[Netflix and Chill]

can someone give me a heads up if i get to -1 so i can claim? lol

Official Vote Count 1.11

Ircher

(6): Solstice, Netflix and Chill, MURDERCAT, Bell, Polar Bear Express, Toogeloo

Double the Trouble

(4): Dunnstral, pichu, Ydrasse, Not Known 15

Solstice

(1): Spiffeh

Bell

(1): Creature

Ydrasse

(1): Ircher

Dunnstral

(1): Double the Trouble

Battle Mage

(1): mastina

Not Voting

(2): Dr Easy Bake, Battle Mage

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-14 16:00:00)

Good job guys. No prods needed.

You have 1 vote on you?

I think 1519 is a weird post here.

[Double the Trouble]

Netflix and Chill (notscience and Brian Skies) - Town
- informed innocent
- both heads were extremely sweaty at points
- seemed town via play

Spiffeh - Town
- obvtowned himself once Pooky's POE was announced.
- his takes aren't garbage
- he doesn't seem to be agenda motivated.

Creature - Scumlean
- haven't read a post people think its scummy i don't know didn't seem like his usual self but I'm not as good at reading this slot compared to when I used to be.

Polar Bear Express (Noraa and Gloria Cleary) - Scum
- They're defending Battle Mage in a way that feels very suspect
- Interactions with Pichu seem kinda fake
- When I told them to vote me it seemed like their actions were more agenda motivated when it came to voting ircher over me.
- I don't actually understand how this slot flips back and forth between me
- Gloria apparently is not giving this game her attention at all and generally when a hydra partner is mostly missing, that slot is more likely to be scum than town.
- 1845 is fucking garbage considering they just townread me.
- Seriously, if I mapped out this slot's progression on me you would see some really strange red flags

Ydrasse - Town
- I did a brief meta dive on Ydrasse and my intial impressions was that she's town in this game based on the meta I skimmed and me diving into her egosearch
- this was mostly because her town approach just felt in general more natural compared to scum approach. In her scumgames, she steps on the gas right away. In her towngames, she's a bit more flufposty into later and reaches conclusions a bit more naturally.
- I trust Pichu's read on this slot. Have you read 1102?
- Pichu also verified the conclusions I got from my meta dive in that post.
- They feel in general super natural

Solstice (Mistyx and Morning Tweet) - Scumlean
+ Misty feels kinda town
- MT hasn't obvtowned yet
- Pichu is really good at reading MT
- Pichu scumleans MT
- Spiffeh scumleans MT

pichu - town
- Has been really town.

Not Known 15 - Kill
- I've seen townies who are just bad at the game
- I've also seen scum pretend to be these kind of players
- I would kill it regardless

Toogeloo - Town
- Noraa interactions feel good
- The vote going from Ircher to Battle Mage feels towny and not agenda motivated
- their reaction to pooky is good.

MURDERCAT - Null
- His take on me and my meta is the opposite of Dunn and BM which is really interesting and is town points
- I also like that he is kind of sharing my feelings about noraa and pushing it regardless of what Pooky's POE is
- What I don't like however is everything else.

Battle Mage - Scum
- Norwee scumreads it
- The way they're softing a PR makes me feel like its a tailored attempt to pocket pooky
- Their read on me is not natural
- the mastina posts

Bell - Weak Town
- On re-read, when Bell is around in thread, his posts feel okay.

Dr Easy Bake - Kill it
- Seen Scum!DEB do this
- Played with town!DEB and wasn't really impressed
- Would kill it regardless

Dunnstral - town
- Honestly just trusting mastina here.

mastina - town
- Her battle mage case is likely to come from town!mastina given the angles its pushing are those I expect town!mastina to push
- in general I think has just been a beacon of towniness

Ircher
- Weirdly enough I think him calling Pichu v Ydrasse theater is more likely going to come from town than scum
- His response to Pooky's PoE likely comes from town
- His reads don't really feel like there's an agenda behind them

[Double the Trouble]

can someone give me a heads up if i get to -1 so i can claim? lol

Official Vote Count 1.11

Ircher

(6): Solstice, Netflix and Chill, MURDERCAT, Bell, Polar Bear Express, Toogeloo

Double the Trouble

(4): Dunnstral, pichu, Ydrasse, Not Known 15

Solstice

(1): Spiffeh

Bell

(1): Creature

Ydrasse

(1): Ircher

Dunnstral

(1): Double the Trouble

Battle Mage

(1): mastina

Not Voting

(2): Dr Easy Bake, Battle Mage

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-12-14 16:00:00)

Good job guys. No prods needed.

You have 1 vote on you?

I think 1519 is a weird post here.

i mean the thing is like
their whole soft is weird
like, how did we get here and why is this even happening in the first place?